Nelson Pavlosky wrote: > Clifford Conley Owens III wrote: >> Nelson Pavlosky wrote: >> >>> Generally I would agree with Fred that until people are getting >>> arrested, civil disobedience is not appropriate... but I would make >>> significant exceptions. For example, in the Diebold memos example, if >>> publishing the memos had not been fair use, people posting the memos >>> probably would not have been subject to jail time, but they might have >>> been subject to significant copyright damages. I still would have >>> supported it as a civil disobedience. >>> >> I would not have. I think that the rebellion against authority is only >> be justified when authority is causing you to do something immoral or >> taking someone's life. I don't expect any of you to agree with me. > > I'm going to let everything else slide, because this is the example > which I think is actually important. > > Do you really believe that it would be better to allow Diebold to (1) > abuse copyright law for purposes it was not Constitutionally meant to > serve, to (2) crush our first amendment rights to essential political > speech, in order to (3) suppress information about problems with our > elections which might allow them to be fixed or decided by random chance > / computer errors.... than to oppose an unjust law and get the > information to the public necessary to alert them to a threat to the > core of our democracy? In that case I think that sitting silently while > democracy itself fades away would be an immoral thing to do. > > I'm not sure you're thinking this through. I'm thinking this through. You could make noise without showing the emails. You can talk about the constitution, but I don't think it's some inherent right written in the heart of the universe.
Once again, I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I think there would have to be something far more important than any free culture value being threatened to warrant civil disobedience. I really probably shouldn't have started this discussion. It was just a thought that came to mind as a reason I might leave this organization. ~Conley > > Peace, > ~Nelson~ > > P.S. Do you think the American Revolution was a just rebellion against > authority? > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- office: Torgersen 3180 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: (540) 597-8820 xmpp: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: vtconley sip: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
