My bad. ~Conley
Greg Grossmeier wrote: > "So please, next time, just spend 10 seconds explaining why you think > your forward is relevant to this list. We're going for quality, not > quantity." -Fred > > Best, > -Greg > > Elizabeth Ortlieb wrote: >> Tell Walmart to STOP INTIMIDATING ITS WORKERS >> Read and Sign the Petition please! -Elizabeth >> >> Barack Obama 08! >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> From: David Nassar, Wal-Mart Watch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:48 AM >> To: Elizabeth Ortlieb >> Subject: "Wal-Mart Warns of Democratic Win" >> >> >> >> Dear Elizabeth, >> >> You have to read this front-page story from today's Wall Street Journal: >> >> "Wal-Mart Warns of Democratic Win" >> >> According to the article, Wal-Mart is holding mandatory meetings with >> supervisors and managers to warn them that if Senator Obama wins the >> presidential election, Democrats will pass the Employee Free Choice Act to >> unionize their stores. >> >> Why is Wal-Mart so worried? Because workers who have the power to stand up >> to their employers have higher wages, better health care, and fairer work >> places. >> >> You and I both know that Wal-Mart will do anything to get out of treating >> its employees with the dignity and respect they deserve. >> >> Not only are Wal-Mart's actions morally despicable, they also raise legal >> concerns. Tell Wal-Mart to stop intimidating its employees into voting >> against Senator Obama: >> >> http://action.walmartwatch.com/voters >> >> Wal-Mart is notorious for its union-busting tactics. As the Wall Street >> Journal article states: >> >> Through almost all of its 48-year history, Wal-Mart has fought hard to keep >> unions out of its stores, flying in labor-relations rapid-response teams >> from its Bentonville, Ark., headquarters to any location where union >> activity was building. >> With weakened workers' rights, Wal-Mart can bully its employees to skip >> breaks and work "off the clock" for no pay. Wal-Mart has received numerous >> fines for violating the Family and Medical Leave Act - firing employees for >> taking federally protected medical leave. They've also received fines for >> violating child labor laws and hiring undocumented immigrants to clean >> stores after hours. >> >> We're not talking about one or two violations at rogue stores - we're >> talking about calculated, systematic business decisions made at Wal-Mart's >> headquarters that have resulted in millions of workers' rights being >> violated. >> >> It's no wonder why Wal-Mart doesn't want to have to listen to its employees. >> That's why our work is more important than ever right now. >> >> Show Wal-Mart that the country is listening - and we want workers to decide >> for themselves how to vote: >> >> http://action.walmartwatch.com/voters >> >> Thanks for spreading the word about this breaking news story. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> David Nassar >> Wal-Mart Watch >> >> >> Paid for by WalmartWatch.com, a campaign of Five Stones and The Center for >> Community and Corporate Ethics >> >> To unsubscribe: http://action.walmartwatch.com/unsubscribe >> >> >> >> >> Elizabeth Ortlieb >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. >> We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." >> -Barack Obama >> >> >> --------------------------------------- >> For Peace Day on 21 September... >> I will volunteer time with my community to spread peace >> What will you do? Visit www.peaceoneday.org >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clifford Conley Owens >> III >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:14 PM >> To: Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in >> particular >> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] Civil Disobedience >> >> >> >> Nelson Pavlosky wrote: >>> Clifford Conley Owens III wrote: >>>> Nelson Pavlosky wrote: >>>> >>>>> Generally I would agree with Fred that until people are getting >>>>> arrested, civil disobedience is not appropriate... but I would make >>>>> significant exceptions. For example, in the Diebold memos example, >>>>> if publishing the memos had not been fair use, people posting the >>>>> memos probably would not have been subject to jail time, but they >>>>> might have been subject to significant copyright damages. I still >>>>> would have supported it as a civil disobedience. >>>>> >>>> I would not have. I think that the rebellion against authority is >>>> only be justified when authority is causing you to do something >>>> immoral or taking someone's life. I don't expect any of you to agree >> with me. >>> I'm going to let everything else slide, because this is the example >>> which I think is actually important. >>> >>> Do you really believe that it would be better to allow Diebold to (1) >>> abuse copyright law for purposes it was not Constitutionally meant to >>> serve, to (2) crush our first amendment rights to essential political >>> speech, in order to (3) suppress information about problems with our >>> elections which might allow them to be fixed or decided by random >>> chance / computer errors.... than to oppose an unjust law and get the >>> information to the public necessary to alert them to a threat to the >>> core of our democracy? In that case I think that sitting silently >>> while democracy itself fades away would be an immoral thing to do. >>> >>> I'm not sure you're thinking this through. >> I'm thinking this through. You could make noise without showing the emails. >> You can talk about the constitution, but I don't think it's some inherent >> right written in the heart of the universe. >> >> Once again, I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but I think there would >> have to be something far more important than any free culture value being >> threatened to warrant civil disobedience. >> >> I really probably shouldn't have started this discussion. It was just a >> thought that came to mind as a reason I might leave this organization. >> >> ~Conley >> >>> Peace, >>> ~Nelson~ >>> >>> P.S. 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