@Adi - so no offense to your friend, but this website is kiiinnddaaa lame. Requires accounts and it pretty much only has any content from Harvard. Apparently he's been working on this for over a year and I'm sure we could make something better in less than a week. The content is also -NC. Still, it shows there is a demand for this kind of service.
@Alec Story - I was assuming that the submissions would be anonymous by default. No barriers to consumption and no barriers to submission. R On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Alec Story <[email protected]> wrote: > One thing about sharing notes or papers: it would be very useful to have > an anonymized form. While I might be happy to share a paper, I might not be > happy to let future employers read papers I wrote, particularly without the > context of the class to explain them - it's entirely possible to have a > teacher require a paper defending a difficult or commonly-disagreed-with > point of view as an intellectual exercise. > > Ideally, this anonymization wouldn't be correlated across user accounts to > prevent people from piecing the data together. Just "anonymous" would be > sufficient. > > RE cheating, if this gets up and running, providing API support for > anti-plagiarism software would be a nice touch. > > > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Adi Kamdar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I've been chatting with Andrew Magliozzi, who's working on FinalsClub.org >> (awful name, I know). It's a non-profit note-sharing site, and he just got a >> bunch of money from the Hewlett Foundation (I think) to move forward with >> this. I'm preeettty sure the licensing scheme for the site is >> choose-your-own-CC, though I'm not entirely sure. >> >> The point is, he's just underwent going through a pretty big survey of >> students regarding whether or not they would use something like this, what >> they would want from this, chief concerns, etc. He's always looking for >> feedback/input, and it might be useful to reach out to him. >> >> -Adi >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I've haven't seen those two services before, but I have seen others just >>> like them, and I think they're _crap_. >>> There's no need to make this any more complicated than it needs to be, >>> and I think the mandatory login is a bunch of bullshit. Very >>> pyramid-schemey. >>> >>> Integrating directly into the note taking application is a nifty idea - a >>> piratepad/unnamedSFCnotesapp mashup would be pretty neat - let people in the >>> same class take notes together, then publish them directly for everybody >>> else. Maybe a feature we can work on after then initial push. >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>>> Love the idea of making things that students can use! >>>> >>>> >>>> There seem to be two parts of the note-sharing idea: >>>> * Taking the notes >>>> * Sharing the notes >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Two existing note-sharing services to take a look at: >>>> >>>> http://www.notetopia.com/ >>>> * (for some reason @usc.edu won't get me in...) >>>> >>>> http://www.noteutopia.com/ >>>> * (this caused a bunch of controversy because they buy/sell the notes) >>>> >>>> I'm certain that there are others ... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> The note TAKING step seems just as compelling, though. >>>> >>>> On one extreme, I see many many students taking notes in the Microsoft >>>> Office notetaking program (OneNote)? >>>> >>>> On the other, my personal note-taking workflow involves vim + mediawiki. >>>> >>>> What's a good half-way point between these approaches that encourages >>>> sharing? >>>> >>>> Some of my classmates swear by a non-free Mac program called Scrivener: >>>> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php >>>> >>>> And I know some others who have a similar relationship to Zim: >>>> http://zim-wiki.org/ >>>> >>>> Maybe a specially modified version of Piratepad for students? >>>> >>>> A project like this could start a bigger conversation about the best >>>> tools/practices for students who care about their computing freedom. >>>> >>>> Exciting stuff! >>>> Kevin >>>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Parker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Just wanted to chime in on the idea of making it about student papers >>>> and not notes: >>>> I have this feeling that making it about student papers is more of a >>>> positive statement and less subversive. I'm kind of having trouble >>>> justifying that feeling, though--maybe I'm crazy, or maybe someone can >>>> back me up. >>>> >>>> But it seems to me that we can make a really nice positive statement >>>> like "we students are proud of this stuff that we've done--and like, >>>> sometimes we ask profs to share stuff, ala OCW, but this should go 2 >>>> ways. besides, this paper is interesting outside the scope of this >>>> class, and putting it on the web makes me feel like a real academic! >>>> eeeee!" >>>> >>>> I guess the real issue is that with lecture notes, professors might >>>> feel like we're taking something from them in a way that they're >>>> probably less likely to feel if we just publish papers. I don't know. >>>> >>>> In general I'm recently more interested in making positive statements >>>> than being subversive. Relatedly, I think that if we re-frame the Open >>>> University campaign as something where we students are helping our >>>> universities become more open instead of trying to embarass/celebrate >>>> them with report cards, we might have more success. That's been the >>>> thinking about my last couple threads about simple ways to show your >>>> support for CC licensing and help out parts of your school that might >>>> be interested. I think that we could do some great work at the >>>> conference this feb by working through some "just add water" >>>> kits/recipes that chapters can use to increase sharing and openness at >>>> their schools. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > (I'm submitting this as an idea to FC-discuss to see what everybody >>>> thinks >>>> > about it, if we decide to move forward, we can discuss the >>>> implementation >>>> > details on FC-Hackers). >>>> > >>>> > With the conference in New York rapidly approaching, I think it would >>>> be >>>> > really cool if we made something that we could show off to everybody >>>> by the >>>> > end of the conference. If we get the ball rolling now, I'm sure we can >>>> have >>>> > something cool by the end if we have a hackathon during the conf. >>>> > >>>> > So while I was in school I remember noticing that damn near everybody >>>> in >>>> > most of my classes had a laptop to take notes on. I think it'd be >>>> really >>>> > sweet and super handy if we set up a website where we could all easily >>>> share >>>> > our notes and the other course materials we make. There are some >>>> companies >>>> > doing something similar, but none that are free and use creative >>>> commons >>>> > licensing. I think this a cool opportunity to experiment with the free >>>> > culture philosophy in education, and we could actually end up making a >>>> > difference in the way people learn. I found that in school I learned >>>> just as >>>> > much from my peers as I did from my professors, and this could be a >>>> good >>>> > tool for facilitating and enhancing that aspect of peer to peer >>>> learning. >>>> > >>>> > There are some pros and cons to this idea: >>>> > Pros: >>>> > - Utility! People would be able to come to class more prepared and be >>>> able >>>> > to learn from the notes of others as well as their own. >>>> > - Display scholarship! Our handsome friend Parker has suggested that >>>> perhaps >>>> > it could be used to highlight good scholarship, to display papers we >>>> are >>>> > proud of. It would be cool to share them with each other and comment >>>> on >>>> > their content. >>>> > - Novelty! I'd love to be able to see the coursework and notes that >>>> people >>>> > in other majors take, simply for my own curiosity. >>>> > - Promote SFC! I can't think of anything that would bring in more >>>> members >>>> > than a useful, public service. >>>> > - $$$ for SFC: If it became popular enough, perhaps we could slap up >>>> some >>>> > ads and bring in a little cash to the organization. >>>> > >>>> > Potential Cons: >>>> > - Plagiarism/Cheating: This is going to be a difficult issue. Some >>>> people >>>> > may abuse the service to simply copy and paste other people's work. >>>> While I >>>> > think that outright plagarism is a really bad bad thing, I don't think >>>> > there's anything wrong with remixing somebody else's ideas and >>>> learning >>>> > about what makes a good paper and what makes a bad paper. In fact, >>>> this is >>>> > really the whole heart of our organization, right? >>>> > - Copyright: Some teachers may object to having their courses >>>> 'notesified' >>>> > and uploaded public consumption. IANAL, but I believe I remember the >>>> supreme >>>> > court (or perhaps is was the supreme court of Florida (??)) ruling >>>> that a >>>> > students' notes are their own property. This could be a good way to >>>> test >>>> > that ruling. (Legally, I think we'd be okay thanks to the DMCA safe >>>> harbor). >>>> > - Damaging our relationship with professors: Parker has been having >>>> success >>>> > promoting OpenCourseware at Dartmouth and affords much of the success >>>> to >>>> > friendliness, handsomeness and cooperation with professors. This idea >>>> may be >>>> > too subversive and could damage rapport for members who want to >>>> establish >>>> > these ties. >>>> > >>>> > What do you guys think? Would you use this service? Would you be >>>> willing to >>>> > upload your own notes to it? >>>> > >>>> > I've learned Django recently and I'm pretty sure we could whip up a >>>> > prototype in a couple of days. >>>> > (Also!: Please join fc-hackers ( >>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fc-hackers ) if you >>>> are >>>> > interested in developing this or any other FC ideas.) >>>> > >>>> > Thanks! >>>> > Rich >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Discuss mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.madebyparker.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >> >> > > > -- > Alec Story > Cornell University > Biological Sciences, Computer Science 2012 > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > >
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