Django FTW! Although implementation details should be discussed on fc-hackers.
R On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Parker <[email protected]> wrote: > Django anyone!?!?!?! > > http://madebyparker.com > sent from my mobile > On Dec 11, 2010 6:54 PM, "Alec Story" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I was thinking less of sharing notes, and more of sharing term papers or > > that sort of thing which we've been talking about putting out under free > > licenses. There would be more issues associated with those. > > > > If somebody starts the project, I will be happy to help with coding. > > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:48 PM, [email protected] < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Interesting on the cheating aspect, I haven't heard much about this, I > >> suspect since it is common practice to share notes. If the content is > >> unauthorized publishing of tests or direct answers, that could be a > >> violation of academic integrity or conduct agreements, but if you put it > in > >> your TOS, you could probably significantly reduce the app providers' > >> liability. > >> > >> The only issue I have seen is in curved classes students won't want to > >> share notes, as it could affect their grade if others do well. Niranjan > from > >> inkling.com mentioned this from some informal interviews. > >> > >> The biggest issue for note-taking based on my research for OER at > Berkeley > >> is definitely the copyright issue noted earlier. Our professors retain > >> copyright of their lectures and are free to license or transfer the > right to > >> reproduce the lecture, e.g. through notes/transcription. Thus students' > >> notes can be infringements if permission or license are not given > (unless > >> there are fair use claims, which can be tricky). > >> > >> - Matt > >> > >> ----- Reply message ----- > >> From: "Alec Story" <[email protected]> > >> Date: Sat, Dec 11, 2010 12:30 pm > >> > >> Subject: [FC-discuss] Ideas for a Paper/Notes Sharing Webapp > >> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > >> particular" <[email protected]> > >> > >> The downside to making submissions anonymous is that it increases the > >> likelihood of spam. > >> > >> Another issue: some schools may view sharing this content as aiding > >> cheating, and could take disciplinary action against students. We should > >> look into policies on that. > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > @Adi - so no offense to your friend, but this website is kiiinnddaaa > >> lame. > >> > Requires accounts and it pretty much only has any content from > Harvard. > >> > Apparently he's been working on this for over a year and I'm sure we > >> could > >> > make something better in less than a week. The content is also -NC. > >> Still, > >> > it shows there is a demand for this kind of service. > >> > > >> > @Alec Story - I was assuming that the submissions would be anonymous > by > >> > default. No barriers to consumption and no barriers to submission. > >> > > >> > R > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Alec Story <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> One thing about sharing notes or papers: it would be very useful to > >> have > >> >> an anonymized form. While I might be happy to share a paper, I might > >> not be > >> >> happy to let future employers read papers I wrote, particularly > without > >> the > >> >> context of the class to explain them - it's entirely possible to have > a > >> >> teacher require a paper defending a difficult or > commonly-disagreed-with > >> >> point of view as an intellectual exercise. > >> >> > >> >> Ideally, this anonymization wouldn't be correlated across user > accounts > >> to > >> >> prevent people from piecing the data together. Just "anonymous" would > >> be > >> >> sufficient. > >> >> > >> >> RE cheating, if this gets up and running, providing API support for > >> >> anti-plagiarism software would be a nice touch. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Adi Kamdar <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> I've been chatting with Andrew Magliozzi, who's working on > >> FinalsClub.org > >> >>> (awful name, I know). It's a non-profit note-sharing site, and he > just > >> got a > >> >>> bunch of money from the Hewlett Foundation (I think) to move forward > >> with > >> >>> this. I'm preeettty sure the licensing scheme for the site is > >> >>> choose-your-own-CC, though I'm not entirely sure. > >> >>> > >> >>> The point is, he's just underwent going through a pretty big survey > of > >> >>> students regarding whether or not they would use something like > this, > >> what > >> >>> they would want from this, chief concerns, etc. He's always looking > for > >> >>> feedback/input, and it might be useful to reach out to him. > >> >>> > >> >>> -Adi > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> I've haven't seen those two services before, but I have seen others > >> just > >> >>>> like them, and I think they're _crap_. > >> >>>> There's no need to make this any more complicated than it needs to > be, > >> >>>> and I think the mandatory login is a bunch of bullshit. Very > >> >>>> pyramid-schemey. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Integrating directly into the note taking application is a nifty > idea > >> - > >> >>>> a piratepad/unnamedSFCnotesapp mashup would be pretty neat - let > >> people in > >> >>>> the same class take notes together, then publish them directly for > >> everybody > >> >>>> else. Maybe a feature we can work on after then initial push. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> R > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Love the idea of making things that students can use! > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> There seem to be two parts of the note-sharing idea: > >> >>>>> * Taking the notes > >> >>>>> * Sharing the notes > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Two existing note-sharing services to take a look at: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> http://www.notetopia.com/ > >> >>>>> * (for some reason @usc.edu won't get me in...) > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> http://www.noteutopia.com/ > >> >>>>> * (this caused a bunch of controversy because they buy/sell the > >> notes) > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I'm certain that there are others ... > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> The note TAKING step seems just as compelling, though. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On one extreme, I see many many students taking notes in the > >> Microsoft > >> >>>>> Office notetaking program (OneNote)? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On the other, my personal note-taking workflow involves vim + > >> >>>>> mediawiki. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> What's a good half-way point between these approaches that > encourages > >> >>>>> sharing? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Some of my classmates swear by a non-free Mac program called > >> Scrivener: > >> >>>>> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> And I know some others who have a similar relationship to Zim: > >> >>>>> http://zim-wiki.org/ > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Maybe a specially modified version of Piratepad for students? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> A project like this could start a bigger conversation about the > best > >> >>>>> tools/practices for students who care about their computing > freedom. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Exciting stuff! > >> >>>>> Kevin > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Parker <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Just wanted to chime in on the idea of making it about student > papers > >> >>>>> and not notes: > >> >>>>> I have this feeling that making it about student papers is more of > a > >> >>>>> positive statement and less subversive. I'm kind of having trouble > >> >>>>> justifying that feeling, though--maybe I'm crazy, or maybe someone > >> can > >> >>>>> back me up. > >> >>>>> > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Alec Story > > Cornell University > > Biological Sciences, Computer Science 2012 > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > >
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