I'm in favor of having a call. However, my quick two cents would be: - Creating our own Gogs or Gitea instance for showing off online (generic) git repositories - Introducing Bitbucket, Github and Gitlab together - Sticking to the command-line and actually reinforcing that git != Github I know it's probably not a popular opinion since this discussion is geared towards teaching Github itself to make things more tractable, however, things should never be made so simple (GUI) that they lose meaning completely. Git as a service is far more important to learn than Github as a service, if only because nowadays many collaborative office suites offer better support for rolling back changes and histories!
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:36 PM Brian Ballsun-Stanton < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Considering the possible scope of responses, could we have an agenda, > roughly speaking? I.e: > > 1. Is this about teaching the literal service called github? > 2. Is it about the git lesson, and possible changes increasing the > emphasis on github? > 3. Is it about the various institutionalised changes instructors have > made to the git lesson to fit local needs, perceived deficiencies, and > integrating them back upstream? > 4. Is it about the ideological concerns that corporate actions have on > our lesson material, and some mechanism for responding or not? (This... > feels like a different community call, to be honest, as it can be an entire > discussion in its own right) > > None of the above? > > Perhaps it's worth making a pad preceding the community call where various > folk can hash out an agenda. I only note this because with three meetings, > if we don't have an agenda, the meetings will cover very different ground. > > Cheers, > -Brian > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, 14 December 2019 1:01 AM > *To:* discuss <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [discuss] Community Discussion on The Carpentries Teaching > of GitHub > > Hi all, > > Thank you Serah and the rest of the Carpentries team for having this > discussion. > > I want to provide some context--I'm not sure what else might have given > rise to this, but I know that it stems in part from an open letter to > GitHub put together by open-source maintainers. The letter asks the company > to drop their contract with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in > the United States: > https://github.com/drop-ice/dear-github-2.0 > > I'm well aware (and glad) that the Carpentries is an international > organization, and some might ask why we should be concerned with what looks > like, on the face of it, just US politics. > > But I also know that many of us are scientists, immigrants, refugees; > sometimes all three of those things at once. And ICE has become a key > instrument of oppression of immigrants and refugees in the United States. > > So I think it's worth discussing whether the Carpentries should promote a > company that supports an agency like ICE. Right now, we basically provide > free advertising for GitHub at version control workshops. > > I would not presume to tell anyone what to think, and I'm not sure I would > have chosen the same articles linked to in the open letter to illustrate > the issues with ICE. But personally I am having a hard time actively > promoting GitHub because of its actions. Here is one article on why one > employee choose to leave GitHub in the wake of the controversy: > https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7x5an4/why-i-quit-github > <https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/0HPMCq71jxfRK3E2uZy2Wq?domain=vice.com> > > Another question we might ask is, "if not GitHub, then what?" > I don't know that there's a good answer right now. > GitLab has updated their policies in response to public criticism: > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/17/gitlab_reverse_ferret/ > <https://protect-au.mimecast.com/s/DfayCr810kC6PYkmTzuRbl?domain=theregister.co.uk> > > I wonder if, long-term, it would be possible to provide researchers with a > non-profit alternative to GitHub for sharing code. Maybe this NPO could > even boldly assert things like "we will not help state agencies punish > refugees for fleeing repressive conditions in other countries that the same > state helped create". > I know, I'm a crazy dreamer. > > Anyway, I hope this helps frame the discussion. > > --David > *The Carpentries <https://carpentries.topicbox.com/latest>* / discuss / > see discussions <https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss> + > participants <https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/members> + > delivery > options <https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription> > Permalink > <https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/T0d0e93b3a52c01f4-Mf1145352af11339c511324d5> > ------------------------------------------ The Carpentries: discuss Permalink: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/T0d0e93b3a52c01f4-Me95ec06d7fc391e0258bdb3c Delivery options: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription
