Hi folks, Peter: I was thinking the same. A number of things on HPC Carpentry are similar to the cloud but the technologies could be very different. In my limited understanding of working in a cloud-native fashion:
* On the simplest level, it will be a single VM that is made available to a researcher. In this fashion, it is more like intro to Linux. * On the far end, there could be a swarm of VMs or containers that have to be orchestrated. And instead of SLURM, Kubernetes may be the tool to interact to submit & manage tasks. * File storage: Instead of using local filesystem like Lustre and NFS, data are stored in S3 buckets, or something similar. * Software: In many cloud-native settings, this seems to be replaced with many APIs. So gone are "software install" etc. But learn how to talk to these cloud services by using the correct API calls. I am not knowledgeable about cloud, if any, so I am not sure what other technologies are prevailing today. Things are moving very fast and what we are developing now could become obsolete in a year. Speaking of cloud, Amazon and others do have cloud offering that looks like HPC. So maybe our lessons are not irrelevant after all, unless you have to work with a cloud-native software stack. It would greatly help if a number of people with cloud experience can jot down a list of topics that we have to cover in a Carpentry-style lesson like this: https://github.com/hpc-carpentry/hpc-intro/blob/gh-pages/lesson-outline.md That is the online for the "hpc-intro" lesson. Wirawan On 6/3/20, 2:33 AM, "Peter Steinbach" <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Dena, first off: I am sad to hear your story. It would be helpful to hear what topics need to be taught for such a certification. I've worked with AWS in the past and consider it to be complicated beast. Can't say anything more positive for GCE. Thus, I understand the need for teaching and training. I am asking as I have a gut feeling that potentially some of these topics might overlap with what we teach in HPCCarpentry material [1] & [2]. So please put some evidence to these feelings as I am mostly a self-taught cloud user. Best, Peter [1]: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fhpc-carpentry&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cfe4b53e503884a87073b08d807881297%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637267628311333033&sdata=8B2U7MDCSBYvWlFm0nVaF73pn2kh0C2siAvFlejuQdk%3D&reserved=0 [2]: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpsteinb.github.io%2Fhpc-in-a-day%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cfe4b53e503884a87073b08d807881297%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637267628311333033&sdata=vZuq905wkJIG3SXMQP0lmVbz22cukHiVB2QnpilOup8%3D&reserved=0 On 6/2/20 9:05 PM, Strong, Dena L wrote: > Our university has a lot of staff and researchers interested in learning more about AWS topics, but we’ve just today been asked to reduce expenditures for almost everything considered optional. > > We currently have 20 purchased AWS training seats available to a staff of 350 professionals in our central IT organization, and our entire application development group has been told to nominate 6 people out of dozens who are interested. > > Has anyone put together a Carpentries-style set of open-source online training documents for people who are interested in preparation for the AWS and Azure certifications? > > Because we have a couple of already-certified AWS experts on our team, but they’re so busy they don’t have time to develop coursework themselves in addition to what they’re already working on, and they said “if you can find us open-source teaching resources, we can probably train more of the crew.” We’re thinner on the ground on Azure experts, but would love open-source training for that as well. > > Sent from Mail<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cfe4b53e503884a87073b08d807881297%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637267628311333033&sdata=4dLYBJK5bwI%2F6DGrLpBPT%2BGy2hGX%2BUkSNbCEnQMkD2g%3D&reserved=0> for Windows 10 > > > ------------------------------------------ > The Carpentries: discuss > Permalink: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcarpentries.topicbox.com%2Fgroups%2Fdiscuss%2FT392fd884e2c53547-Ma8dc0165e9ac3e559cab6a37&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cfe4b53e503884a87073b08d807881297%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637267628311333033&sdata=%2BcfUKYTjdd1kcy8XY8RNcqP4TgUs5C5rUHrEnxzN32Y%3D&reserved=0 > Delivery options: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcarpentries.topicbox.com%2Fgroups%2Fdiscuss%2Fsubscription&data=02%7C01%7Cwpurwant%40odu.edu%7Cfe4b53e503884a87073b08d807881297%7C48bf86e811a24b8a8cb368d8be2227f3%7C0%7C0%7C637267628311333033&sdata=RMGHpcotW2EgI8JDfH5P%2Fe8v19rjJ%2FU9hDY6%2FfugCZ0%3D&reserved=0 > ------------------------------------------ The Carpentries: discuss Permalink: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/T392fd884e2c53547-M6a85e4c56cd07386aae1bd7d Delivery options: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription
