Even if there were more cooperation among OS and browser developers (not
that I'm expecting any) there would probably still be a lag effect with the
reader developers for two reasons:

1.) The reader developers are in the position of having to catch up with new
OS and browser releases all the time. For example I recently started using
Vista. But still, 9 months since the OS was released, many of my favorite
utility programs have not made versions that will work on Vista.

2.) The reader developers are in the position of having to catch up with
innovative uses of the OS and browsers. New ways of exploiting the DOM are
being created all the time. Thousands of developers are expanding the number
of ways you can do things using the basic tools available -- and sometimes
those new ways blow right past what a reader is likely to be able to do.

I think readers will always lag, just as standards determinations always
lag. The reader developers are not in a position to anticipate what new
capabilities will be needed. They can only respond once new conventions
become established.

Joseph Selbie
Founder, CEO Tristream
Web Application Design
http://www.tristream.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrei
Herasimchuk
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Target.com Loses Accessibility Law Suit

On Oct 7, 2007, at 9:44 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote:

> It's not the job of MS and Apple to hold back in order to allow
> companies like Adobe, Quark, and others to stay status quo. Instead,
> the OS companies push forward and software companies have to follow
> and keep up. This same principle applies to screen reader companies.
> The web is the OS. The screen readers are just like Adobe, Quark, and
> others. They need to pick up the pace and stay current.

Who is "they?" The software makers? Are you kidding? Have you ever  
developed a cross-platform product like Photoshop or XPress? Do you  
know all the myriad of issues that go in making such a product?  
Obviously I do, so I'm obviously going to have a lot of strong  
opinions on the subject.

The part you seem to be leaving out is that the software vendors are  
trying to create software for multiple platforms and multiple  
languages while trying to add features their customers want which has  
little to do with what MS and Apple care about. They also do so while  
being given no input into the strategies and approaches of both Apple  
and MS, having instead to basically figure out how they are going to  
handle dealing with technology changes after the fact. Both MS and  
Apple only care about themselves and seemingly do all they can to  
make cross platform development about near impossible without extreme  
amounts of compromise and effort as t is.

So, if you want to make the browser makers and operating system  
makers *force* to comply to make cross-browser and cross-platform  
application development more of a reality without that major  
compromise, and in doing so *force* MS, Apple, Netscape and the  
Firefox team to make accessibility an integral part of their  
technology rather than a tacked on afterthought, then something might  
actually get done with regard to all this kubuki as it pertains to  
giving the disabled a real means to interact with technology.

-- 
Andrei Herasimchuk

Principal, Involution Studios
innovating the digital world

e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
c. +1 408 306 6422


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