"So yes, the main issue is the OS itself and how accessible it is and how technology is implemented. This is squarely on Apple and Microsoft. After that however is the very legitimate issue of how browser implement standards and their versions of web technologies to make them accessible. And with this issue, one has to understand that without 100% consistency and compliance on the part of the browser makers, designers and developers of web based technologies have little to no chance of ever really addressing the accessibility properly."
I have to disagree. Even if there had been complete and well implemented standards for all the elements that go into AJAX (which their weren't) reader developers would still not have been able to anticipate how innovative developers put AJAX to use. And who knows what the next AJAX will be... (Andrei, I think you misunderstood my point #1 below. I was saying that readers lag behind for the same *reasons* that utilities lag behind -- not in any way *because* utilities lag behind.) Joseph Selbie Founder, CEO Tristream Web Application Design http://www.tristream.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrei Herasimchuk Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Target.com Loses Accessibility Law Suit On Oct 7, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Joseph Selbie wrote: > 1.) The reader developers are in the position of having to catch up > with new > OS and browser releases all the time. For example I recently > started using > Vista. But still, 9 months since the OS was released, many of my > favorite > utility programs have not made versions that will work on Vista. What the reader developers create does not rely on utilities. That's an unrelated problem and has little to do with you larger point, I think. > 2.) The reader developers are in the position of having to catch up > with > innovative uses of the OS and browsers. New ways of exploiting the > DOM are > being created all the time. Thousands of developers are expanding > the number > of ways you can do things using the basic tools available -- and > sometimes > those new ways blow right past what a reader is likely to be able > to do. This is true. But the reader developers also don't implement standards and rendering in the same way, which is a separate problem but one that further exacerbates how accessibility is implemented into web products and services. So yes, the main issue is the OS itself and how accessible it is and how technology is implemented. This is squarely on Apple and Microsoft. After that however is the very legitimate issue of how browser implement standards and their versions of web technologies to make them accessible. And with this issue, one has to understand that without 100% consistency and compliance on the part of the browser makers, designers and developers of web based technologies have little to no chance of ever really addressing the accessibility properly. So a business like Target.com is three levels deep and two level removed from the technology itself needed to make compliance a true reality, and has basically *no* control or input into the base technologies themselves. Why again are they the target of this lawsuit? (No pun intended.) -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 ________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ....... [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe Questions .................. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org ________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ....... [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe Questions .................. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org
