On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Joseph Selbie wrote:

> "That's true enough. Which points to the larger problem: Real  
> accessibility
> will only come from Apple and Microsoft... "
>
> Why? Why does it point to OS?

Because if you want true accessibility, you don't slap software  
readers on what is basically a core hardware and operating system  
problem. You can, but you'll get what you have today, which is  
basically a kludge.

And I said it points to the hardware and operating system. They go  
hand in hand. It's not one or the other, but both.

> I am admittedly focused on how readers are used on web pages. You  
> probably
> have other experience of assistive technologies for desk top  
> software which
> I don't have -- and which may well rest on OS issues. But since  
> this thread
> started with the Target suit, I have been staying with that kind of  
> problem
> of accessibility, and from my experience the reader is the key.

Reader's are not the key. They are just a kludge to solve a larger  
problem, and one that won't go away and will get more and more  
complicated.

Why? Because web browsers and the whole internet experience was  
*always* going to cycle back to the kind of richer interaction that  
existed long before the web browser existed. (Basically the entire  
80s and early 90s of the software world.) The whole "web" thing was  
nothing but a pit stop on the evolution of the computer and digital  
technology. Things are going back to drag and drop, multi-windowing  
systems, etc. Given this, the problem is not a reader problem of  
reading "web" pages. It's a computer problem and how its core  
interactions pertain to people who are disabled.

It's basically hardware and operating system, where the core  
technologies must find a way to give disabled people a means to  
reproduce what it is that people who are not disabled can do with a  
mouse+keyboard, plus the ability to see the screen. Asking software  
developers that have no control over the core technology to be forced  
to solve the problem, or worse, getting sued if they don't, is about  
as bass ackwards as it gets.

> You have to learn them and live with them. They keep improving and  
> going
> through version upgrades just like the rest of the browsers, but  
> they never
> quite do what you want them to, and so far at least, they lag well  
> behind
> the rest of the regular browsers as far as what level of complexity  
> of user
> experience is possible.

And they will lag even further as long as people keep treating this  
as a software problem that sits over the OS instead of as a core  
computer hardware and operating system problem.

Fix the computer. Make the people who make the computer itself be  
forced to solve the problem. The folks behind this lawsuit are  
attacking the wrong people. Further, if they happen to win, all that  
will happen is that everyone will lose.

-- 
Andrei Herasimchuk

Principal, Involution Studios
innovating the digital world

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