On Jun 9, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Christopher Fahey wrote:

But Jared? Dan? Do you guys really avoid ever looking at patents, avoid discussing them at conferences or on blogs? Not even, for example, Nokia or Apple's widely-discussed gesture patents, or Apple's planned human interface devices?

Or are we all just playing lip service to the bullying tactics of the big patent law abusers? Are we letting the terrorists win? Where is the Dan Saffer who literally called "BULLSHIT" on this behavior two years ago (http://www.ixda.org/discuss.php?post=9101)?

I'm still standing. And that patent filing was bullshit. And I still agree with what I wrote deeper into that old thread, namely:

"It is one thing to patent an UI idea that creates a distinct technical/business advantage for your company. I'm thinking of, say, Amazon's one click button. It is quite another to file broad patents that hinder whole industries and whose features are in common use."

But I also, in retrospect, probably shouldn't have posted it to the list. As stupid as the patent filing was, it could have put some list members in jeopardy (although in that case, it would be nearly impossible for any of us to work on the web--but I digress).

I think there is a cultural divide here, based on the products one works on. Back when I worked almost exclusively on the web, patents were basically ignored. I barely gave them a second thought, and no client ever mentioned them at all. Not once in over 13 years of web work. But once I started working in the software and hardware world, it's a whole different ballgame. Intellectual Property is taken seriously. It is my understanding, as paradoxical as it may seem, that all major software and hardware manufacturers forbid their designers to know anything about patents being filed. Why? Because knowledge of a patent can triple damages awarded if the company is found to be infringing on a patent. So even if (as assuredly it would) inspire us or enlighten us or whatever, it is best to avoid them. In this case, yes, the lawyers have won.

While I am extremely curious about the patents being filed right now (and especially the gestural patents), I have to avoid looking at them as much as possible.

Dan


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