> David Malouf wrote: > > "Design thinking" or "Creative thinking" is NOT all that makes up > design. It isn't only about solutions. Design needs to strive for > "beauty", for "message" for "narrative". Again, don't reduce design so > that it is easy to sell. This is like right-wing politics that want to > reduce complex issues into sound-bites so that they can be manipulated > more easily. I don't think you are trying to be malevolent, but I > caution reducing "design" to "creativity" or "creative thinking".
You're using a lobotomized version of what I wrote - I didn't say it was all that made up design. You also wrote: > In a world where linear analytical thought is taught to our young ones > at younger and younger ages, destroying their creativity, I for one > want to keep every last bit of it in all symbols. YOU mentioned protecting kids creativity - and I suggested, having some knowledge on this subject, it might be easier to achieve your stated goal if you dropped the design word. I was trying to help in the context you offered. I did not offer this as a generalized way to engage the universe regarding design, nor a casting of the definition of design - I was actually responding to what you wrote, since I took the time to read it carefully and generously. On that basis, it's arrogant of you to assume ownership of the definition of the word design, which you've done here, and to take my comments out of context, put it into one of your own invention, and then criticize them. Beyond this, you can find plenty of legendary designers who wouldn't be upset about calling design a kind of problem solving (e.g. the first 5 pages of Papernak's "Design for the real world"). Not that I'm even making that point or want that argument - But I will say I am embarrassed for you in how narrowly, and singularly, you seem to define design. How can you can call yourself a creative thinker (which I'm assuming you do), and be so zealously defensive of a single, narrowly defined concept of what design is? The kicker is you've managed to drag partisan politics into this thread and use it to bonk me on the head - Why, why, why? :) This sort of thing can only drag a discussion down. You have significant influence over the tone of what goes on here as one of the founders of this list - but the example you've set in this thread is not one of wise discourse, generous/careful reading of posts, or warm leadership. -Scott Scott Berkun www.scottberkun.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Malouf Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:53 AM To: Scott Berkun Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] The biggest problems >> I'm a very politically minded individual and I believe that design is >> more than a tool for problem solving to be honest, but actually is a >> core professionalization for non-linear thinking. >> In a world where linear analytical thought is taught to our young >> ones at younger and younger ages, destroying their creativity, I for >> one want to keep every last bit of it in all symbols. > > I bet we agree on the goal, but as someone who has taught creative > thinking, you're framework here is way more complicated than it needs > to be. Why not simply be an advocate for creative thinking? Or > teaching problem solving skills? If that's at the core of how you want > to change the world, you'd have more allies and more people who > understand what you want to achieve if you just say you are an > advocate for teaching creative thinking & problem solving skills. > > There's a bunch of groups that run national programs with this goal, > and never use the word design: > http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/2008/teaching-kids-creative-thinking/ "Design thinking" or "Creative thinking" is NOT all that makes up design. It isn't only about solutions. Design needs to strive for "beauty", for "message" for "narrative". Again, don't reduce design so that it is easy to sell. This is like right-wing politics that want to reduce complex issues into sound-bites so that they can be manipulated more easily. I don't think you are trying to be malevolent, but I caution reducing "design" to "creativity" or "creative thinking". -- dave -- David Malouf http://synapticburn.com/ http://ixda.org/ http://motorola.com/ ________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ....... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
