it might even be a cautionary tale.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Will Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> It is also clearly a cautionary tail in NOT using real user research before
> making a persona. If you are pulling persona's out of the air, not doing
> qualitative and quantitative research to derive your personas - you'll end
> up like the McCain camp - with a toxic persona that lacks credibility
> doesn't help you make your case either strategically or tactically.
> Bootstrap your personas all you want, but when push comes to shove (and the
> VP of marketing wants to turn your buttons pink), you need real personas
> built on real research to validate your arguments.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Eva Kaniasty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I think that the Joe the Plumber incident nicely illustrated the danger of
>> using a real person as a persona.  Joe went from the little guy striving
>> for
>> the American dream to a guy who doesn't even have his plumbing license and
>> owes back taxes.
>>
>> Eva Kaniasty
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kaniasty
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Steve Baty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > This notion of voter archetypes is used a lot as a rhetorical device in
>> > politics. Even if politicians sometimes drill in a specific individual -
>> > like this case - and we see the same thing occurring frequently in
>> > Australian politics "A pensioner living on $xx/wk and receiving
>> healthcare
>> > etc etc will be affected in the following way by this policy change".
>> >
>> > Like personas, these voter archetypes are intended to make a more
>> concrete
>> > connection between the policy and the 'real people' of the electorate.
>> >
>> > This is the first time I've seen archetypes used so frequently and
>> > prominantly in US politics, although that may reflect me more than
>> > anything.
>> > "Joe Six-pack", "Joe the Plumber" and the "people on Main St,
>> small-town,
>> > USA" are all intended to evoke a particular image of 'real Americans'
>> which
>> > is exactly the purpose of personas - common understanding of an audience
>> > (electoral) segment.
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
>> > 2008/10/17 Will Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Really good point you bring up though. I know when Steve Mulder was
>> > writing
>> > > The User is Always Right - he really hoped it would gain traction
>> outside
>> > > the arena of UX people and be adopted by marketing and advertising
>> folks
>> > as
>> > > well
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Michael Micheletti <
>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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