>>I will say this, I think that the Bay Area has many more do-it-all developers/designers. My experiences as a dot-commer in SF actually made me into the generalist I am -- there was a much greater, um, respect (?) for the well-rounded geek Being originally from the Bay I 100% agree. Southern California, where I am currently located, seems to have a lot more separation between and amongst teams. It is interesting to see how the public culture seeps into the corporate.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Jonathan S. Knoll < [email protected]> wrote: > I guess I'm just touchy. > > I've also followed that career trajectory, though I actually started with > something more akin to über-traditional IA (building taxonomies for > search), > then made my way from back-end towards the front, now splitting time > between > front-end development and IA/IxD. > > I will say this, I think that the Bay Area has many more do-it-all > developers/designers. My experiences as a dot-commer in SF actually made me > into the generalist I am -- there was a much greater, um, respect (?) for > the well-rounded geek. On the other hand, I've found that being a > generalist > is often scoffed at by development team managers in other places I've lived > (including New York, and particularly at agencies). (On the other hand, it > usually ends up earning generalists the respect of both fellow team > members, > as well as leaders of other teams. Go figure.) > > ~ yoni > > > Jonathan S. Knoll > email: [email protected] > web: http://infinityplusone.com/ > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanknoll > twitter: @yoni > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Scott McDaniel <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > On 24 Apr 2009, at 15:52, Jonathan S. Knoll wrote: > > > [snip] > > >> > > >> My experience, in both agencies and large corporations, is that the > > >> front-end team tends to be semi-autonomous, but organizationally > closer > > >> (and > > >> often beneath) the back-end or systems teams. Ironic, since the good > > ones > > >> tend to be more philosophically aligned with Design teams. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > That's interesting. My experiences with the org-chart split is about > > 50/50 > > > design vs systems. UK/US difference maybe? > > > > > > Adrian > > > > Perhaps, but I've found it to be about 50 Tech/Engineering, 25/25 > > Design and Product/Marketing. > > I think this is very much variable from company to company. Almost > > all of my friends in SFO, for example, own an entire vertical of > > their projects/products -- from back-end to IA to front-end. It > > ~blows my mind~, and some are miserable about it, but I don't get the > > impression it's a Bay Area USA methodology. > > > > Er...is it? > > > > I didn't find the initial question condescending, speaking as someone > > who came from doing > > front-end development exclusively and gradually moved into more > > conceptual design, as Dave > > mentioned. In this case, 'just' speaks to me as 'only thing done', > > much as my best friend "just does Oracle implementations." > > > > The companies with which I worked moved in that direction > > chronologically as I went > > along my career path: just HTML/CSS/Javascript, to doing front-end > > production code and IA/IxD, just using > > HTML/CSS/JS/Flash for prototyping and presentation to not doing it all > > all except as an artifact of particular programs such as iRise or > > Axure. I like how various tools can help me reach certain ends, but > > sometimes...I just gotta whip something together by hand, both for a > > particular end and so I don't lose my edge. > > > > Scott > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Adrian Howard <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! > > To post to this list ....... [email protected] > > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe > > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines > > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! > To post to this list ....... [email protected] > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help > ________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ....... [email protected] Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
