On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Adam Moskowitz wrote:
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:07:28 -0500
From: Adam Moskowitz <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] [lopsa-tech] Email list and IRC channel for LISA
Matt Disney wrote:
Anyone have more suggestions or recommendations for how
LOPSA can improve communication among attendees at LISA or other events?
Since you asked . . . I think the thing is for LOPSA to present itself
as a resource to be used and not try to "dictate" how the communication
should happen. Look at Twitter as an example -- they pretty much said
"here's what we've got to offer, use us however you see fit." Hash tags
aren't really part of Twitter proper, but their use is now ubiquitous
and Twitter exercises little (if any) control over them. All they did
was promote their use then got out of the way.
I don't think LOPSA should be competing with Twitter or Facebook to
carry people's communications; for something as ephemeral as a
conference, I'm not even sure LOPSA should be in the business of
offering mailing lists; surely people can spin up a Google or Yahoo!
group on their own. I think a better use of LOPSA's resources, or even
just a better role for LOPSA, would be as either a "clearing house" or
"gathering point" by giving people a place and way to say "hey, the
conversation is happening over there" and let them pick wherever seems
to be working at the moment.
I for one am not going to be chasing down all the different possible ways
that other people can communicate to sign up for whatever service is used.
There is very seldom enough value in what's being said to go to that sort
of effort.
on the other hand, lists like [email protected] have enough useful stuff
in them to be worth subscribing to, even if 90% of the messages are about
things that I don't care about (deleting messages I don't care about is
better than having to maintain yet another account somewhere)
the other problem with many different places to go to talk about things is
that you end up with different people subscribed to different subsets of
things, and therefor missing useful information.
yes, there is such a thing as overload (see linux-kernel for example ;-)
but even in such cases there is a lot of value in having the discussions
in a central place.
I don't like the idea of a separate -lisa or -conference list, and the
idea of having a list and then wiping it's archives afterwords just
doeesn't make sense, you can't wipe all records of the messages, so what
is it you are hoping to gain by wiping one copy?
David Lang
Some (most?) conferences seem to "happen"
on Twitter; others on IRC, and maybe a few on email. Maybe LOPSA could
be a "repeater" and watch all the venues, posting messages to the
"uncool mediums" (as defined for any given event) saying things like "it
seems most of the conversation is happening on 'cool medium'; you may
want to go there for more interaction."
Or whatever -- my point is to offer tools then get out of the way and
let people decide how to use them. Particularly with ephemeral events,
but even in a day and age where "the cool way to communicate" changes
with the seasons, I think a fair bit (even a lot) of "organic-ness" is a
good thing. Just let it happen, *then* figure out what LOPSA can do to
help it happen better.
Mind you, I'm not sure how best LOPSA can do this, given none of it is
really our "core strengths," but I do know that saying "here, do it this
way" isn't likely to get a lot of traction.
Adam
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