On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Luke S. Crawford wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 03:57:13PM -0500, Matt Simmons wrote:
>> You know we're in deep when "villainy" is considered an upgrade.
> 
> where do you people live?   I personally noticed a huge upgrade in what
> I perceived my own social standing to be when I moved to silicon
> valley from the central valley.

OK, I'll stop you right there.

Silicon Valley is its own Private Idaho when it comes to tech employees having 
any sort of street-cred or respect. Outside that bubble, things are radically 
different.

And since Silicon Valley is only a couple hundred square miles out of the 
entire land-mass of the US, let alone the planet, it is NOT a sound basis for 
comparison. :-)

You're right, I've lived there, I'm sure many others list-members still do, and 
it can be a really great environment (if it wasn't so blasted expensive), but 
it doesn't reflect the normative respect level throughout the rest of society, 
unfortunately.

D


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