Can you get LISA membership ($45) without also ahving to have USENIX membership
($125)?
The benefits they list are
1. Jobs Board
2. Mailing list
3. free "Short Topics in System Administration" book each year
4. discounts
for discounts they have two magazines and O'Reilly
Are #1 and #2 significantly better than what Lopsa has? Are there a significant
number of people posting there who are not here as well?
the LOPSA discounts are far more extensive than what Usenix offers.
Which just leaves the short topics books. Are they still publishing these on a
regular basis? Is this something we should be doing? Given the advances in self
publishing, I think it would be fairly straightforward to get better
distribution of things than Usenix is doing. It's cheap to take the book
contents and have them available as an e-book and a print-on-demand paper book
that is listed on Amazon, B&N, and is available for bookstores to order. I think
this is something that we should consider doing (and yes, I'll volunteer to do
the legwork to take an edited book and get it through the publishing hoops)
The only other benefit of merging back with Usenix would be their paid
management. This is an advantage or a drawback, depending on how you evaluate
the health of LISA (the organziation, not LISA the conference)
I will say that LOPSA is currently intended to be a lot broader organization
than what is implied by "Large Installation System Administration" as an
organization name.
David Lang
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Will Dennis wrote:
Well, USENIX is still collecting dues for membership in it (yes, I have paid
them for it) and they do have an (infrequently) active mailing list. So maybe
LOPSA would be a perfect fit?? (providing the content / benefits for LISA
membership)
https://www.usenix.org/membership/lisa-membership
-----Original Message-----
From: David Lang [mailto:da...@lang.hm]
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 1:51 PM
To: Will Dennis
Cc: Derek J. Balling; Lopsa Discussion
Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Does LOPSA have a project manager?
As far as I can see, SAGE has basically died off. A couple years ago they
renamed SAGE to LISA, but from what I can see there's not much there now.
David Lang
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Will Dennis wrote:
I know LOPSA and USENIX are on speaking terms now... Has anyone from
the LOPSA BoD reached out to USENIX BoD and explored a consolidation of SAGE
and LOPSA?
IMHO, one of these org's should be folded into another (yes, yes, I
know the old history of LOPSA's founding; let the past stay in the
past...) I don't know why we'd need *two* professional org's for SA's
to continue... Seems to me that USENIX is the stronger org by far (and
has the requisite support structure in place already), and so LOPSA as
it stands today (i.e. mailing lists and mentorship program) could be
easily folded into SAGE (heck, SAGE already has the mailing list...)
Maybe I don't have all the details here, but that's the way it seems to me...
W.
On Monday, March 02, 2015 12:59 PM Derek J. Balling wrote:
On 3/2/2015 12:48 PM, Martin James Gehrke wrote:
> This is one man's opinion: What is the best use of our membership dues
> at this moment?
To re-iterate a suggestion I made earlier: Donated to a comparable
organization, such as USENIX, followed by dissolution. LOPSA is, at best,
redundant and ineffective at this point.
D
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