Frank Wammerdam wrote: "Perhaps due to the relentless propaganda of the
"anti government right" in North America, I have some concerns about
governments throwing large amounts of money into FOSS development
without clear thinking about how to make that money work efficiently.
It is easy to imagine boondoggles that could suck up lots of money with
little in the way of useful products."

I think you have to be an American to understand this. No other country
in the world can waste tax payer dollars like we do. (Have you ever seen
a CALTRANS survey crew?) :]

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: FOSS4GIS business models

Gilberto Camara wrote:
> For the FOSS4G effort to be fruitful and sustainable,
> we need a very informed and candid assessment of our
> business model. My personal view, based on 25 years of experience,
> is that government intervention is essential for the open source
> model to survive beyond a handful of examples.

Gilberto,

It is my personal opinion that sustainable success in the FOSSGIS
arena does and will depend on sustaining support from the user
community.

In practice, government directly and indirectly represents a huge user
community, and one with the capacity and organization to provide
meaningful
support for FOSSGIS development.

When I speak of organization, I mean that government's can provide
aggregate
support based on a recognision of the broad benefits of investment
rather
than needing to justify all expenditures on a strict cost/benefit basis
for
individual projects.

What is less clear to me is how we as a community can help governments
put resources to work in a most constructive way.  I think INPE has done
great things, as have the gvSIG team.  But, I am left with the
impression
that the same model applied widely by many national or state governments
would result in a lot of duplication.  I'd like to explore models where
governments at different levels cooperate and contribute to joint
development.

In fact, perhaps the gvSIG model, with some (much?) of the support now
coming from the EU level, and increased efforts to promote it's broad
use is a good model for this.

The other approach which has worked, in at least a trickle down way, is
governments showing a preference for foss solutions where practical, and
the consulting and integration companies that provide them based on
existing project turning some of the contract funding into improvements
back to the core projects.  This model has been responsible for quite a
bit of the work on and around MapServer for instance.

Perhaps due to the relentless propaganda of the "anti government right"
in
North America, I have some concerns about governments throwing large
amounts
of money into FOSS development without clear thinking about how to make
that
money work efficiently.  It is easy to imagine boondoggles that could
suck
up lots of money with little in the way of useful products.

Best regards,
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