Philip Meyer;349162 Wrote: > >the fact is the current version has options, as all programs of this > >type do. musicmatch, winamp, etc... all have lots of options. > > > >these noobs who slim seems to be worried about melting their > computers, > >will STILL HAVE ACCESS to those options POST setup. > > > >so whats the difference? is it really THAT important to keep them > out > >of the options at setup at the cost of not giving the option to > anyone > >with a brain in their head? even a noob can figure out to "stay out" > >if an option is displayed as such. > > > I'm coming into this thread late. I have to agree with the majority of > concerns here. > > I hate the automatic rescans that SC used to do when installing a new > version. I can't think of any other decent applications or consumer > products that do automatic operations - ones that do really piss me > off, and thus aren't decent ;-) > > I think there's more chance of annoying new users with automatic stuff > and making assumptions without providing alternative options. > > I remember installing an updated version of SC a few years ago and got > the wizard for the first time. Before I knew anything about it, SC had > wiped my existing library and commenced an unnecessary rescan. > > I don't agree with the arguments against at least providing an option > to not do something that could potentially take a long time and not be > correct afterwards, requiring the user to look through the options and > perform a new scan. > > There's no such thing as an idiot user who isn't going to understand a > "don't scan until I say so" option. > > A user requires a music source to start with. i.e. installed some > other software to rip some CD's. > > Last time I remember looking at installation instructions and the > wizard, there were instructions about logging onto SqueezeNetwork to > set up an account. This was presented as a mandatory step, and SC was > optional. I think the opposite is true. A first-time user who just > wants to play their CD's via a squeezebox has no need for > SqueezeNetwork, which I find really cumbersome to set up compared to > SC. > > If you're looking at reducing setup pain, rework SqueezeNetwork. Allow > an optional account to be set up through SqueezeCenter, post > installation. Push SC settings up to SN, rather than the other way. > > As I'm a power user, and now use SVN to keep SC up to date, I never see > the wizard and thus don't really care for my own situation.
i basically agree with your analysis of new users. this thread has conflated several different issues, but i think all users would agree that users should be able to opt out of automatic triggered [re]scans. bug 9687. a lot of users here i think also agree that an option should exist for new installs to allow one access to some advanced settings, including the ability to opt out of auto scans. thats bug 9688. 9688 would also allow for some other options to be set, but allow you to leaave the first initial scan post install in place, so it'll scan with the other options set the way you want them. what makes no sense to me is to deny this kind of functionality to users b/c slim seems to think some won't be able to handle it. i just don't buy that at all. Philip Meyer;349162 Wrote: > > >compounding the issue is that a lot of what SC "intelligently" does > is > >neither intelligent nor intuitive. the auto rescans > I agree with that... > > >and VA logic, greatest hits logic, > Disagree with that. VA logic, greatest hits, etc are handled really > well, compared to other applications that don't do anything (eg. > iTunes). The default logic makes perfect sense for newbies and > seasoned professionals, but I'm not against an option to turn off such > logic if it doesn't work for them. This is not an option that should > be in the wizard though. i can totally live wth that. if being judicious with what options are in the wizard is needed to just get it done, np. and as long as you don't oppose the option to turn off the other logics post install i'm cool with that too. my POV on that is that SC is the only app which has such logic[s], and a lot of users don't need it or want it b/c it probably slows down scans and regardless a lot of users have their collections competently organized in other apps with out it. why does SC require these logics to organize your tunes when other apps don't? is slim really contending that ONLY their app does it properly? besides, if we could turn off the rescans and logics, it will make it easier to design and test a new schema DB that will handle organizing appropriately with them, (as surely must be possible, since other apps can). Philip Meyer;349162 Wrote: > > >these are all things NO other app does. > Other apps do make assumptions, and for users that just rip CD's to new > folders, the assumtions are very often the right choice. Other should > apps do the same thing, or should. took me a minute to figure out that last line, (extra should). i'm not sure making an assumption (such as?) is the same as the extremely aggressive and pro-active logics SC uses. the auto rescans, the GH stuff, the VA stuff, i can't think of any other app doing anything similar. whats more, i thinkthey simply mask poor DB design. with the new schema being worked on, i think it would be very helpful to be able to turn these off to see if a new schema could be designed that didn't need them. Philip Meyer;349162 Wrote: > > >and the tcp/ip paradigm isn't obvious > Not sure what you are getting at here. TCP/IP is not something that > should be explained in the wizard. Simple instructions for how to > configure a SB to connect to SC over wireless LAN, but nothing should > be required in the SC installation instructions. > > Phil all i'd really advocate here is some kind of sentence or two explaining its a network app, and if users want more information about howits all supposed to fit together, click the link to an appropriate wiki article. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.3b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53406 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
