DrNic;207500 Wrote: 
> I guess that since Logitech have bought the company this sort of make it
> all simple for joe (below?) average is going to be the voice of the
> masses on these forums soon. Shame.
> I am all for creating the "Basic" and "Advanced" setup pages, then
> those people who can barely open a word document without needing help
> will be happy that their Squeezebox/Slimserver combo works with little
> fuss.I don't think the advanced setup option will be the major problem for
this kind of people. Those that barely can open a word document will
have a lot bigger problem to actually rip and tag their music
correctly. 

For the average Joe I think this is the most important step to improve.
As an example look at iTunes, you just insert the CD and you will get a
question and it will automatically rip the CD, download correct tag
information from Internet and tag it correctly. After this the new
music is placed in the correct place on your disk and is already in
your library and ready to use together with iTunes.

To do the same with SlimServer you will have to:
1. Download an external tagging application, none is recommended so you
will have to find and choose one for your self
2. You will have to choose which file format to choose, again none is
officially recommended so you will have to choose among those supported
by SlimServer
3. You will have to learn the settings of your external tagging
application to make sure the tagging and ripping is done correctly. As
an example if you like to use EAC and FLAC, which is one of the
combinations recommended on the forum, it isn't setup automatically.
You will have to find a tutorial how to setup EAC and FLAC, none is
officially recommended.
4. After ripping you will have to make sure your music is stored in a
place where SlimServer will find it. In iTunes this is done
automatically.
5. You will have to realize that you must actually perform a rescan to
get SlimServer to know the new music.

After you have successfully gone through all this it is time to start
worrying about the basic/advanced settings in SlimServer. This is the
time where you will realize that you have tagged your music incorrectly
to make it work with the basic settings in SlimServer, so you will have
to learn the advanced settings to make it work correctly.

Now, I'm not saying that SlimServer should be a tagging software. I'm
just saying that average Joe will probably have problem with this
tagging and ripping part of the process, especially since there is very
little information and recommendations related to this in a place where
it can easily be found by average Joe. The information exist for sure,
both in the forum and on the wiki, but it isn't that easy to find in
case you don't know where to look. Another problem is that there is
just to many options in this tagging/ripping part of the process. I
personally have no problem with this since I have learned how to do it
and have my own process I go through after buying new music, but new
users probably doesn't have this.

I also think one of the major reasons for the problems we are seeing on
the forums, is this non existing tagging/ripping process. The problem is
that people tag and rip their music differently and SlimServer needs to
support and handle all the different variations of ripping and tagging.
I'm not saying that this is bad, because it means that SlimServer is
very flexible, but it costs a lot of money for Logitech that could be
used for more useful stuff.

A suggestion is that Logitech starts to look for some specific
tagging/ripping software which could be bundled together with
SlimServer. This way the instructions could be a lot more detailed and
you could say "Do like this" instead of saying "You can do it this way
or you can do it that way or...". Other applications than the bundled
can still be supported, but average Joe will probably choose to use the
bundled application and this should get rid of many problems.

Now when I have said all this, I also like to say that the
SlimServer/SqueezeBox combination has been the biggest improvement of
my personal music listening since the time I went from LP to CD player.


-- 
erland

Erland Isaksson
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(Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse,
Custom Scan,  Custom Skip, Multi Library and RandomPlayList plugins'
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