JimC;290195 Wrote: > So here's the issue, as I see it (personally speaking--I'm still waiting > for enough info to make a professional call on it): > > Band was never supposed to be used for AlbumArtist, but it's been > co-opted to this task by several applications. Given that, some people > would like SqueezeCenter to optionally normalize Band (TPE2) to our > internal ALBUMARTIST tag. That seems innocent enough a request, but > Snarly pointed out this issue:
or, sort by SC7s BAND, or whatever method SC7 will allow so that someone can use their TPE2 field in their files for SC7 to sort by. anyway, you quoted snarly here: JimC;290195 Wrote: > > > > The code that uses that flag is Schema::Album::artist. It is used > > precisely once, and makes no reference to TPE2, since that is called > > long after tags are normalized. So, yes, any change to how that flag > > works now would affect all formats that had a BAND tag. > > > > From the comments, if there is no ALBUMARTIST assigned to an album, and > > it is trying to figure out who to attribute it to for listing, it > > returns the BAND. It is never sorted, it is only displayed. > > > > Note this is only for listing. Unless I missed something, this is the > > only place this is used, and only affects the HTML generation. > > > > This was most likely meant to be used for a case like this: > > > > Album: Brandenburg Concertos > > . Artist: JS Bach > > . TPE2: Duluth Harmonica Quintet > > > > To distinguish it from: > > > > Album: Brandenburg Concertos > > . Artist: JS Bach > > . TPE2: Cleveland Symphony Orchestra > > > > That set of tags (indent means 'these are tracks',... and yes I skipped > > a ton of tags that are irrelevant to the illustration) would display: > > > > Brandenburg Concertos (Duluth Harmonica Quintet) > > Brandenburg Concertos (Cleveland Symphony Orchestra) > > > > which lets you distinguish between the two. > > > > (And, yeah, yeah, Bach should not be TPE1/Artist, but for a lot of > > people that tagging scheme makes more sense in their collection and > > tastes.) > > > > So there you have what the flag does... it is simply for display and is > > useful to seperate similarly named works when 'albumartist' is not > > really the correct setting.> > > > Which also seems reasonable enough (as well as a pretty apt > description of what actually happens). sure. i am not advocating changing the existing functionality of the option as it currently exists. i am talking about ADDING a second option to do sorting. please see this thread in developers forum, which i wrote as per your suggestion: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=290178#post290178 and allow me to repeat this from an earlier post in response to what you quoted of snarly above: > i just want to add one point to that... if those were tracks, and you > had group comps together AND list albums by band picked, then SC7 would > show BOTH TPE2 values; this gets unwieldy very quickly if your album has > a lot of differing TPE2 values, b/c they ALL are shown. JimC;290195 Wrote: > I'm of the mindset--again, personally speaking--that the esoterica of > these kinds of tags are so user- and application-specific that we > really should not change much, in terms of the current behavior, but > should better document how tags are used to people can mash their tags > about in a fashion that works for them. i am not advocating changing current behavior, but rather adding an option. TPE2 already fills the SC7 BAND field, why can't that be an option for sorting? and i absolutely agree about better documentation. JimC;290195 Wrote: > As I stated at the very beginning of this thread, SC's handling of tags > is either perfect, acceptable, or broken depending on your individual > use of tags, music collection, and expectations of the result. Any > change will likely just change the members in each of these sets, > rather than eliminate the "broken" set. Given that, I'm working > internally to gather as much information as possible to be able to > suggest the lowest impact changes to how things are handled. > Otherwise, we're right back here with a different set of users > complaining about the way it works. i personally do not believe that to be true. meaning i understand sloppy coding of SC7 could lead to that potentially, but it is not a NECESSARILY unavoidable outcome. i think adding an option to a program that has many options is not an impossible task. i do not claim to know how to do it, or which way is best. but in the developers forum i do suggest two possible way to achieve the goal. i do not think you should lean to being against it without showing or explaining how adding a new, wholly separate sorting option would break everything. and i don't see why such an option would be impossible. JimC;290195 Wrote: > However, I encourage the community to continue to debate this topic as > it is very informative, both to the team here and to other users. > > Mr. Sinatra, I truly don't mean to be offensive, i promise you, i do not take offense to your comments, but i just want to be sure you actually understand what i am proposing before you shoot it down b/c i am not sure you do yet, which is not a knock in any way, i'm just saying i'm not sure. JimC;290195 Wrote: > but just because an application with a big market share (like iTunes) > handles tags a certain way doesn't make it the way all applications > should handle tags. and i never claimed it should. i have been arguing here for an OPTION, not a mandate. it just so happens that itunes, winamp, WMP, and many others have co-opted the TPE2 band tag to serve the album artist role (in those same apps). thats just the reality and it is a huge majority. JimC;290195 Wrote: > We support more music tag and file formats than iTunes and can't simply > change things because a small, but vocal, group of forum posters thinks > we should. As someone suggested in an earlier message, you might want > to use an external tagging application to duplicate your TPE2 tags to > the Txxx AlbumArtist tag we already support. > > -=> Jim i am asking for a new OPTION, and i am not asking to change or degrade or revoke ONE SCINTILLA of current functionality. i am asking to add ONE more piece of functionality. considering the facts at play here, i don't see it as minority request. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
