Scott. You rule. So, it appears VO takes precedence and cuts out the
katie speech if VO and katie set to different voices. Blah. That's
not a show stopper I guess but not very elegant either. Won't be an
issue when we rely completely on VO to provide katieplayer
accessibility.
As for the speech engines, yes, Apple could do the same in terms of
speed range...I suppose they decided to reign the adjustments in a
bit. I hadn't noticed the difference in speed ranges provided by VO
vs. katieplayer.
So, again, thanks for the troubleshooting/testing/problem-solving!
Joe
On Mar 11, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
Joe, yes in fact it does matter. I did a few tests.
1. I set Katieplayer to use Fred which is the default voice I use
for VO.
2. Went into the sleep settings menu and it worked perfectly, but
yes Katieplayer's voice and VO's voice must be set the same. It
doesn't seem to matter if you have other voices set for other parts
of VO or the system etc.
3. I turned VO off and set a different voice in KatiePlayer and it
worked just fine.
4. I set Katieplayer's voice differently from VO while it was off
and as soon as I turned VO on, it killed the speech in the sleep
options menu.
5. Turning VO back off had no affect and speech was gone while in
the sleep options menu and so had to quit the program
I did notice you guys get more speed from the voices than VO does
itself. WOuld be nice if Apple would allow for a greater range in
speed.
So that solves teh mystery.
tnx
Scott
On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Kafka's Daytime wrote:
Scott,
That works great for me. I bypass with VO-keys + TAB so I can open
Sleep panel with Control + Option + S. Navigation and speech works
for me in the Sleep panel (TAB and SHIFT-TAB to get around). You
know though, I wonder if it matters that I have both katieplayer
and VO set to use the Vicki voice. I'll have to test to find out.
Also, for troubleshooting purposes, if you haven't already, you
may want to quit and relaunch katieplayer before trying again.
I have some coding to do for a bit but will come back to this.
Joe
On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Kafka's Daytime wrote:
Thanks Scott. I'll give it a shot.
Joe
On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
Ah Joe, just hit VO-keys + tab and that acts as a bypass key and
that should get you into the menu. What happens if you do this?
Do you consistantly get the menu to speak?
tnx
Scott
On Mar 11, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Kafka's Daytime wrote:
Hi Scott,
Interesting, I can't get Sleep pane to come up at all due to
key command conflict with VO...just get a ding. Again, we'll
need to change this key command to avoid the conflict. TAB and
SHIFT-TAB should work OK to navigate through the Sleep pane. To
get out of the Sleep pane you need to TAB to the OK button then
press Return to click the button. Again, replacing this dialog
with a VO navigable dialog (as we are doing now) will mean that
your global, VO speech settings apply and you can use VO
navigation rather than katie's built in speech and dialog
navigation. The Keys Manager dialog is an example of a dialog
which has been replaced for compatibility with VO. With no book
loaded, you can open the Keys Manager dialog by clicking
Command + K and try it out with VoiceOver. Ultimately,
katieplayer will not do any self-voicing and will rely
completely on VoiceOver.
Joe
On Mar 11, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
Ok I stand corrected, the sleep menu did come up. I needed to
slow the speech down a little to hear the menu choices and
then I couldn't use the tab key to navigate the choices. Also,
I wasn't sure how to get out of the sleep menu to get back to
the book. Any help appreciated.
tnx
Scott
