Gabe, At the risk of flagellating an equine whose vital functions have been issued a SIGTERM, it's worth pointing out that there are still accessibility problems on the Mac side. Now, for those only capable of Boolean logic, this does NOT preclude the idea that there are accessibility problems on the PC side (these things can coexist and, as shocking as this may be, it is possible for someone to be of the mind that both systems have their faults).
In fairness to Allison's message, though, there are entire classes of program that blind people just can't use on a Macintosh (find me a spreadsheet that's usable at *ALL* on the Mac side. Then find me a graphical IDE that lets me design graphical interfaces through--not so much "drag and drop", but keyboard commands. After you're done this, if you could find me some accounting software, some web design software and a high-end word processing package that actually lets me navigate tables, be notified of style changes, etc.) If you can find me all of these things, then we'll begin to talk about the Mac "not having accessibility problems". As to your argument about being in a different line than Kevin, what you are saying there is that the Mac doesn't have accessibility problems *FOR YOU*. Fine. That can be accepted, as long as you throw in that proviso. Your very statement, quoted in this message, seems to imply, where "imply" in this instance might mean "forceably confine and tattoo upon the skin of the person you are speaking to", that the Macintosh has no accessibility problems whatsoever. If you've figured out a way that I can buy that episode of Conviction that I missed on Friday from the iTunes store on my Mac using only the awesome accessibility provided by the operating system, tell me, 'cause I'd like to know. As far as getting a copy of Windows Vista free when it comes out, with regard to another of your messages, how would that work? For Apple, software is an extra, but I seem to remember covering that before, and repeating the same thing over and over and over for minds that are apparently immunized to accepting ideas different from their own makes me tired. Once again, I will spell this out for you. Apple is a hardware company. This means that their primary function is to produce hardware, which is the stuff you touch, as opposed to software, which is the stuff the computer touches. Now, this means Apple can do things like offer their software such as iWork (did I mention there were accessibility problems with iWork?) with their machines at no charge--or, as shocking as this may be, allow Macintosh users to dual boot Windows on their Intel-based Macs, because most of their revenue comes from the hardware that they sell--which, by the way, is some of the most top notch gear I've run across. I imagine a MacBook Pro is worth every dollar of the two grand that I would have to pay for one that meets my specs, to say nothing of the fact that there would be a certain amount of irony in the idea of going to my current place of employ toting a Macintosh notebook running both operating systems ... but then this wouldn't really phase them, because they're a software company (I think I covered that, too. You should really pick up a copy of that book. It might explain some of this.) I guess what I'm trying to grasp is that, whilst the world, or certainly everyone that visits your site, can see rather ... interesting ... photographic evidence of your hardware preference, what seems to be lacking here is a coherent argument from you as to why points such as the ones I mentioned here, the ones Allison mentioned previously, and the ones that others on this list have mentioned have no validity. So far, the best I'm seeing is "Windows has problems and Microsoft sucks and Apple cares about us and Apple has no security issues despite the security updates and Mac is wonderful and visit my site where you'll see me hugging my Mac and writing love letters to my Mac and the Mac just makes me say 'Yabba dabba doo!'." I imagine you might be taken more seriously. -C- -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 11:07 AM To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind Subject: Re: hi from a new member! If your email is true on what you say, then I think you would never switch to a mac. What is accessibility? can you answer that. can you answer how I use a desktop and a laptop mac on a daily bases as my primary machines and you tell me that I am using something with accessibility problems. can you tell me that jaws is serving you well right now even with the 206 bugs in it currently??? You can't be on the sidelines and tell us you are waiting for the accessibility issues to be gone because you have no idea what they are. We do. and its not that drastic to where it would have stopped me from buying my g4 laptop three days ago. to add to my desktop mac. BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://blindtechs.net Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accounts, shoutcast radio service, online games and more! Powered by Unix not Microsoft On Apr 15, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Allison Mervis wrote: > Hi all! > I am a blind college student living in Pittsburgh. I've watched the > development of voiceover with interest, and would like to > eventually switch to a Mac when some of the remaining accessibility > issues have been worked out. I hope to learn a lot from this list. > Allison > >
