agreed Gabe Vega The BlindTechs Network Website: http://blindtechs.net Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (602) 476-2307 (562) 261-5277 (866) 714-4244 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Bates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby the blind" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: voiceover, a talking interface:
> I hope you do not get thrown off, because I like your frankness. I also > like your curiosity factor and willingness to try to find applications that > work with what you have. Keep up the good stuff. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yvonne thomson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: voiceover, a talking interface: > > > > Hi, all. > > > > As much as I agree with all this, and as much as I love the whole > > "talking interface" concept, we all have to admit, surely, that it's not > > without its problems. > > > > The main one, as far as I can see, is that it's far, *far* too easy to > > make an application inaccessible, and it puts the onus squarely on the > > software writer to do the right thing and make it possible for us to use > > the software they've written. > > > > As far as I can see, unless the app is stock standard cocoa, you have to > > get extremely lucky, or have someone specifically design the app to be > > accessible for you. Reality check here, people. Software designers are > > absolutely *awful* at this. That, from what I can see, is in part why > > screen readers exist. software designers seem to just *hate* whatever the > > stock standard interface is. It isn't fast enough. It isn't pretty > > enough. It doesn't do what I want and so theay write their own. That's > > happened for as long as I've been using computers, and probably longer. > > We want it to be cross platform so the toolkit they use isn't read by > > Voiceover. And the problem with all of this is, that there's no solution > > other than hoping that the writer of the application you want to use > > takes pity on you, or just to do what I, at least, have always done. > > Decide you want an app to do something, go to a site that catalogs as > > much software as possible, and download practically everything in that > > category just to find something that works, forget whether it's got the > > features you want, worry about that later. First, can we use it at all? > > > > Now please, this isn't to say I'm not loving the Mac, I am. When it > > works, it's incredibly easy to use and incredibly accessible, but I > > honestly don't think *this* is the silver bullet for us, either. I have > > no idea what the heck is, though. > > > > Yvonne who is probably now going to be thrown off the mailing list. > > > > > > >
