On Sep 24, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Abdul Kamara wrote:

Apple will not
ensure that it's operating system is accessible to us, much less its flag
ship applications and that

I'm assuming you meant to say Apple will not ensure that [remaining portions of the OS not already made accessible] will not be made accessible?

And is it the operating system that is not generally accessible or do we have a number of applications (including some flagship apps) which have not been updated to take full advantage of VoiceOver/ Accessibility API? I realize, in practice, this might seem an incidental distinction...but the distinction matters in the context of this particular discussion.

making excuses for its glacial pace is counter
productive.

Glacial compared to what though? i.e. what's the benchmark? Since the API-based, OS-integrated accessibility approach is a first I'm not sure what you're comparing to. If you are making a scientific comparison your method (and its specifics) would be a very valuable thing to share as it could help establish some reasonable timelines/ expectations for continued accessibility development of/on the Mac OS. This, of course, would be much better than expectations which are arbitrary, culturally motivated, or based on what we know generally of software development cycles. In making comparisons, establishing some reasonable timelines...it would also seem we might want to distinguish between various types of development. I'm not sure it's reasonable to lump all of Mac OS accessibility into a single "Apple ensuring it's OS is accessible to us" category. We have application development (both Apple and third parties) which must occur and there are also the VO/OS adjustments which would occur separately, be completed by different teams, have different dependencies (both business and technical), etc.

Finally, respectfully, you seem to be taking a particularly dire view of the current state of accessibility on the Mac and its future. I do think you have explained more or less why you don't personally feel particularly encouraged (understatement) by Apple's accessibility efforts. If there is confusion about your few postings I think that confusion is rooted in a mostly collective failure to understand what you intend...what is motivating your postings? Are you telling the community that not enough is being done and the community must be more vocal? Are you trying to motivate legal action? An explanation of what it is you are hoping to accomplish would likely clear up some of the confusion and help the slower folks like me catch up.

Joe

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