If someone or people want to mintor Gabe and he's willing, that's
fine, I don't have the time, gotta work and pay my bills. But I also
realize that some also have an agenda against Gabe which goes off the
list and to when the list wasn't even in exsistance.
However, I was here last summer and the winter before that when
Gabe went on his tirades against people. I don't think it's worth
the head aches again to deal with them if he hasn't learned anything
from his past. And I at least broadly supported him and his rights
back then. But I had to recrute hard to get a couple of people back
into the list again last summer, and I think we will be losing
multipal people just to bring in one, well, that could be a problem.
I haven't read the list mail for the past few days, and yet now this
topic and related topics are revolving around Gabe, and sorry, but
the list isn't about Gabe.
Woody this reply is not meant to be directly at you personally, and I
hope you don't take it that way, but I hope we can all consider the
whole picture here. It isn't this list's topic to be theropy for a
person's behavior, there are others for that purpose.
Yes, Gabe knows a lot, but so does many others, and many many
others compared to me here on the list. I'm just a grunt at work
don't spend a lot of time tinkering with this machine and have to
learn a lot from the input from members of this list. I don't care
to see many people leaving over the acceptance of just one with a
past record of destruction.
On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Woody Jackson wrote:
I am getting very disappointed in the lot of you.
What is wrong in attempting a way for all to succeed? You have
heard the phrase win win before. What the hell is your evil
opposition to that! I have heard too much trite talk about if he is
on the team I am off the team. Maybe the conflict is his mean heart
found your mean heart. BTW, I read the posts in question...Gabe has
skill issues and brings it on, however there were no knights in
shining armor either. And I saw other people's issues too. I can
indeed appreciate losing patience and will, but time and time again
I have determined the biggest failure is not in people but in how
we organize our selves.
A lot of issues are structural or mechanical issues.
It is a very simple problem with a very simple solution. It doesn't
have to be debated into the ground,
Gabe needs to be corralled more so than others in order to have
success.
If Gabe is left to his own device he will fail in the endeavor.
Gabe needs mentorship, and he needs to accept the need and be
available and compliant to that.
Gabe's mentor needs to facilitate positive communication.
Gabe's mentor needs to be the conduit of his communication until he
masters some social communication skills.
This mentoring needs to be done in a transparent or private manner
that does not humiliate Gabe nor require others to be insulted OR
have to take action of any sort. The best way is to have him
forward his emails to another and have them post for at least a
period of time.
Someone besides the moderator has offered to take some position in
this. So what's wrong with multiple moderators, or an assigned
moderator?
This will not work retroactively, i.e. someone privately writing
him after the fact. This has to be proactive, i.e. before the post
is published to the list.
This is a deeply rooted issue. It requires long term attention. If
he independently does well for two weeks he is likely to revert on
the third or fourth.
Many of us have the skills to do well with less structure, some of
us do well with more structure. Give Gabe some structure and he
will probably not disappoint anyone.
Finally, we all project, and that makes it even more so difficult
to implement and sustain corrective measure. If people clear their
heart and give a person another chance there is a greater
possibility of improvement. We form grudges and they crystalize and
become a stone that ultimately becomes an unnecessary anchor to the
past.
Conclusion:
1) Gabe allowed back with just an admonition is doomed to failure.
2) Gabe with proper (proactive) mentorship will not be given the
chance to be unruly AND just may finally learn how!
PLEASE start offering practical solutions rather than it's my way
or the highway!
Woody
On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
Slau and anyone else still reading...
I certainly appreciate your position, having moderated in a number
of much bigger forums than this one. I empathize with the
position you were put in, and I admire your desire to allow
Gabriel a chance to redeem himself, even if I disagree with it.
