Re: Some opinions on the mac

Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:50:47 -0700

I did just this before purchasing my mac. It is well written but that still doesn't correct the clunky interface, the lack of real web navigation, the inability for it to be intelligent about controlls etc. As to people knowing window-eyes and wining about my comparison, I have used Window-eyes for years and found it much more respectable on the internet than VO at present. As I said earlier, before people jumped down my throat, this is only my views on the product as it stands today. It will be improved i'm sure, but until then, fusion and window-eyes are the best thing for the blind on the web at the minute. 

-James-
On 1 Sep 2007, at 23:35, Jude DaShiell wrote:
The VoiceOver tutorial is either the authoritative source or very close to it for keyboard shortcuts. That you can download off the web and listen to on any computer that can play an mp3 file. 



On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Jed Barton wrote:


Hey there,
Any place to find keyboard shortcuts on voiceover?
I'm going to meet up with a friend tomoro that has a macbook, and wanna have 
some keytboard commands to try with getting around.
Any info would be appreciated.
Like for example, how to read through the desktop icons, ETC.

Thanks,
Jed

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You didn't do the safari configuration on http:// icanworkthisthing.com yet so of course web pages will skip around. Read the voiceover article and fix 
then try those web pages again.  f.y.i. I used window-eyes on my home
computer for over a year so I do know the product.



On Sat, 1 Sep 2007, James Jolley wrote:


Forgive me, VO doesn't compare to either screen reader.
Imagine, JAWS cursor all day long, that's VO. sorry, but facts are
facts. If people compare it to Window-eyes they hardly know the
product. As it stands now, VO is narator with navigation. It doesn't
tend to read things automaticly, nor have the ability to monitor
screen areas but future releases will have this. Sorry, but as a screen 
reader, it's minimal at best.


Take the web, using it with Safari is more or less a lesson in

frustration.

Pages skip around, it jumps about and refuses to read passed
elemennts, etc, etc.

Like I said, it is a work in progress. Any employers wouldn't see VO
as a viable solution. I am expecting a lot of replies to this, but
sorry, that's how I feel. Why do you think I have to run windows? It's to simply use the net because access isn't there yet with VO but it is 
relatively good with Window-eyes, well, streets ahead. actually.

Just my thoughts and not a reflection on what's to come. I own a mac
for it's technology, not for the screen reader.


On 1 Sep 2007, at 21:33, Jude DaShiell wrote:


VoiceOver is decidedly not screen narrator nor anything like it.
Leopard will have more screen reader features in its version of
VoiceOver than tiger has and by screen reader features I do not mean 
voices.  tiger at least for now is missing a read entire screen
feature but leopard will have that ability.  There'll be a learning
curve but VoiceOver's complexity is above Window-eyes and below jaws for windows. Once the learning curve is mastered VoiceOver can do as 
well as jaws can for reading the screen.

VoiceOver was built into the operating system while screen narrator
was a bolt on job deliberately left with enough to get windows
installed and no more capabilities than that. Hope this helps, every screen reader I've mentioned in this message I've used extensively at 
one time or another and I've had exposure to screen readers not yet

discussed as well too.









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