Very good point actually and thanks for bringing that up but on the
other hand though, take a look at Windows Internet Explorer with the
JAWS Cursor or WE Cursor depending on what Screen Reader you're using
for Windows, you'll be surprised at the extra toolbars and so forth
which exist for Windows Internet Explorer that you wouldn't know
about unless you were able to see the screen, I'm quite sure (though
not exactly so) that Windows Internet Explorer also sports a bookmark
section.
On 02/09/2007, at 3:44 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:
Hi Dane. It kind of makes sense though that you'd have to interact
with the html content of safari because there are parts of the safari
window that aren't the web page. Like the bookmarks bar, the status
bar, the google search bar, etc. I know personally I wouldn't want
these shown as part of the web page, because it wouldn't be as easy
to move to them quickly.
Darcy
On 1-Sep-07, at 11:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Right, well that's not quite correct, JAWS cursoring all-day long?
I don't have to do that but I do take your point though, sometimes
you have to interact with things a little too much.
Let's take Safari for example, you have to itneract with the HTML
of a page before you can read it, that's simple enough I guess but
you really shouldn't have to do that but once you're interacting
with the page then you read it just as you would a web page with
Window-Eyes or JAWS, that is to say you scroll up and down with
your arrow keys, you can of course lock the VO keys down with ctrl-
option-; as discussed earlier.
In other applications I have found ways around interaction with
VoiceOver to get things read, mail is a good example, you can get
to different parts of the screen by using the tab key to say get
from the mailbox outline, to the messages table and then to the
message text, the right cursor key can help you too.
I suppose that as one continues to use a Mac alternative
possabilities and ways of doing tasks present themselves.
On 02/09/2007, at 7:29 AM, James Jolley wrote:
Forgive me, VO doesn't compare to either screen reader.
Imagine, JAWS cursor all day long, that's VO. sorry, but facts are
facts. If people compare it to Window-eyes they hardly know the
product. As it stands now, VO is narator with navigation. It
doesn't tend to read things automaticly, nor have the ability to
monitor screen areas but future releases will have this. Sorry, but
as a screen reader, it's minimal at best.
Take the web, using it with Safari is more or less a lesson in
frustration. Pages skip around, it jumps about and refuses to read
passed elemennts, etc, etc.
Like I said, it is a work in progress. Any employers wouldn't see
VO as a viable solution. I am expecting a lot of replies to this,
but sorry, that's how I feel. Why do you think I have to run
windows? It's to simply use the net because access isn't there yet
with VO but it is relatively good with Window-eyes, well, streets
ahead. actually.
Just my thoughts and not a reflection on what's to come. I own a
mac for it's technology, not for the screen reader.
On 1 Sep 2007, at 21:33, Jude DaShiell wrote:
VoiceOver is decidedly not screen narrator nor anything like it.
Leopard will have more screen reader features in its version of
VoiceOver than tiger has and by screen reader features I do not
mean voices. tiger at least for now is missing a read entire
screen feature but leopard will have that ability. There'll be a
learning curve but VoiceOver's complexity is above Window-eyes and
below jaws for windows. Once the learning curve is mastered
VoiceOver can do as well as jaws can for reading the screen.
VoiceOver was built into the operating system while screen
narrator was a bolt on job deliberately left with enough to get
windows installed and no more capabilities than that. Hope this
helps, every screen reader I've mentioned in this message I've
used extensively at one time or another and I've had exposure to
screen readers not yet discussed as well too.
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