Right this doesn't appear to be a problem with Leopard per se, except in
so far as Leopard bundles a newer version of Safari with a newer version
of WebKit. I can tell that from the fact that I can reproduce the
problem with WebKit Nightly on Tiger. I've logged a bug in the WebKit
bugtracker:
http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15817
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Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
David Poehlman wrote:
it's not a matter of not being able to select from the box, the problem
is that the box is not shown at all.
This is the case with all of the multi select boxes I have seen in leopard.
On Nov 3, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
Right, so the problem is specific to multiple select boxes. Can we
confirm that you Leopard users cannot select favorite fruits from the
simple multiple select box test case at:
http://benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/test-cases/multiple-select.php
And if so, does the same happen with the latest WebKit Nightly build?
http://nightly.webkit.org/
Apple may be aware of this bug, but if it's a WebKit bug nothing's
been filed about it on the WebKit bug tracker as yet.
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Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Dean Hudson wrote:
Hi:
Ryan is correct. On the pages he has identified, there is a group
that contains multi-selectable items. The problem is that VOiceOver
is not able to see the group of items. Usually in cases like this,
it means there is a accessibility issue with the underlining
application. In this case, Safari/WebKit. These apps are not
passing correct AX information to VOiceOver, so in this case,
VoiceOVer just skips over the item. Benjamin's page will work,
because it contains a single selection pop-up.
I believe Ryan has filed a bug, so Apple is definitely aware of the
problem.
On Nov 2, 2007, at 3:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
Hello Benjamin,
Your test page worked perfectly for me running Leopard on a
PowerBook. I don't know whether Intel Macs behave differently.
Cheers,
Anne
On Nov 2, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
HTML includes select boxes where you can pick one item and select
boxes
where you can pick multiple items. Your report is a bit confusing
because you refer to "multi-select list boxes" but go on to give
selecting your state from a select control as an example:
presumably you
only have the one state. So I gather you're experiencing problems with
select boxes generally. The examples you've given are quite complex
pages, so I've created an extremely simple test case at:
http://benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/test-cases/simple-select.php
Are you able to select your favorite fruit from the list and submit
the
form? You should get returned a page that tells you which fruit you
selected. If not, can you please describe the keys you're pressing and
what happens when you press them? (I'd test this myself, but I don't
have Leopard and won't have it any time soon.)
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Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Ryan Dour wrote:
Hello,
Everyone click the following two links and discover the horrifying
result. You will not be able to complete these forms. This is due
to a lack of support for multi-select list boxes. As you could
imagine, this hurts Voiceover in a very significant way. I could
forgive application specific access issues, but this one if not
fixed will hurt the entire community for surfing the web effectively.
https://disney.recruitmax.com/main/careerportal/default.cfm?szUniqueCareerPortalID=d806a3ad-06f5-4622-b614-74475b752e8e&szIsJobBoard=0 That's
a Disney job site. Try and find a job by picking your state, town,
or any combination of those. Good luck. Now try it under Tiger.
Works perfectly. We've taken a major step backwards.
http://www.vonage.com/vaccess
Try and find a local Vonage VAccess number near you. Those let you
dial a local Vonage nunber and call your friends who have Vonage.
You can select by location. Try that out, enter your area code.
Then try and select the "town" you're near to. Good luck again.
Now try it with Tiger.
Finally, try using Apple's own job board and try selecting
California. Now try and select a city to narrow down your search.
Good luck, you can't.
I've never posted something in this form with this level of
attitude. This is so important that if not fixed, it will cause
major damage to the reputation of Voiceover.
Everyone fill out bug reports at developer.apple.com or email
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and let them know the massive impact this
will have on your surfability. Find other sites to use as
examples. If this isn't fixed soon I'd hate to see the opinions of
those out there who will be reviewing Voiceover for its access
ability.
Thanks,
Ryan Dour
815-308-7607
