Hi Shaun and Others,

On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:00AM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>To comment on the last part of your message concerning Jedd and  
>others. Some nice list member forwarded me a kind of setting up your  
>Mac tutorial in text format that I followed to the T and it helped me  
>to understand what and why things needed to be done this way. It  
>talked about Calculator, Text Edit, Safari, and Cursor Tracking. If  
>someone wants a copy please let me know.

I can think of a couple of documents that help do things like that.
There's a "Using Mac Applications with VoiceOver" Guide that
John Hess wrote, with versions up at the ICanWorkThisThing.Com
web site at:

http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/docs/mac_with_voiceover/Using%20MAC%20Applications%20with%20Voiceover.shtml

You can use the link chooser menu or the item chooser menu to
download a text file copy.  Here's the link to that document.

http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/download/docs/Using%20MAC%20Applications%20with%20Voiceover.txt

This is pretty good, but I'd suggest a few shortcuts to improve it.
For example, I search with Google using the built-in Google search
bar under Safari by using Option-Command-F to go directly to the
Google toolbar for searching in Safari and don't bother with navigating
to the address bar, typing in www.google.com, going to the Google
web page, moving to the input text field, etc.  Option-Command-F
not only puts you into the Google Search toolbar field, but it will 
open it up along with the Address Bar even if you're on a web page 
where the Address bar is hidden.  (I use Option-Command-F on
a lot of apps, such as FInder Open Dialogs and iTunes even when
I also get to this field with searching , because I always know where
it is.)

Also, I personally loved a lot of the directions that Tim Kilburns put
on his home page, and his tips and tricks link at:

http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/tips.html

had a lot of one-off items that are very useful.  His pages haven't
been updated for several months, and he hasn't posted on the
list for some time, but I highly recommend reading his posts if
you search the mailing list archive for the discuss list and come across
posts that he authored.  

Cheers,

Esther

 

>On Nov 28, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi Josh,
>>
>> Your Quick Tips are very helpful . . . 
<snip>
>> Also, I have a suggestion for additional content on lioncourt.com.
>> How about a page describing preference options, and suggested
>> configurations? I
<snip>
>> I was thinking about this, especially since some of the problems
>> I've heard from Jed and others seem to stem from never having
>> set up their options, even these many weeks after they've started
>> using their Macs.  Even reading the manual, it's not always
>> immediately obvious what the benefits are of doing things certain
>> ways.  That's what I most enjoy finding out about on the list from
>> the experiences of other users.
>>
>> Sorry to highjack your nice Quick Tip post with these comments!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2007, at 07:49AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:
>>>
>>> Check out this week's Mac-cessibility Quick Tip at the link below.
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2007/11/28/mac-cessibility-quick-tip-5/
>>> Josh de Lioncourt

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