it would be cool if the group could sit down with the accessibility team. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krister Ekstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:41 AM Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening
Another idea might be that some very knowledgeable people who really know their VO and possibly other products would demonstrate what blind people actually could do with a Mac and ask for some sort of cooperation to help solve the problems that are there. Does it make sence? /Krister 23 jul 2008 kl. 00.08 skrev David Poehlman: > apple might actually be willing to host. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet and Felix *" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:27 PM > Subject: RE: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening > > > > I live in a dinky little apartment! But something could be arranged > somehow! > > I did a map directions search from our place to the facility. It is > just > over 71 miles, and 1 hour 25 minutes travel time driving, one way. > Because > of driving through the city. > > So I'm not sure we're the most convenient of locations. We do have > friends > who live closer to Cupertino who might be willing to allow us to use > their > house as a base. We'd have to do some checking. > > janet > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:01:58 -0800 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening >> To: [email protected] >> >> and can we use your house as a base? >> On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote: >> >>> >>> Felix says, arrange a tour of the facility. For a bunch of blind >>> people. And then ask if (we) can sit down and talk to the research/ >>> development team leader to discuss ideas for better accessibility. >>> >>> We live about 70 miles north of Cupertino. >>> >>> Just brainstorming. >>> janet >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>> happening >>>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:33:14 -0400 >>>> >>>> Sure. Cupertino, here I come. LOL. :) I have to go up to the bay >>>> area >>>> in October, so how about it? :) >>>> I wish there was a way we could all camp out, but somehow I doubt >>>> it >>>> would be effective. >>>> >>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Mike's Western Account wrote: >>>> >>>>> hey lets camp out side apple's hq untel something's done more with >>>>> there media devises, lol >>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account">>> >>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>>>> OS X by theblind" >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>> happening >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> i think that we just need to go to apple and make things get >>>>>>> done;) lol >>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> speaking of IPods, why can't they put some form of speech like >>>>>>>> voiceover into IPods. I mean come on, if it could be done with >>>>>>>> Rockbox, then, surely Apple could do it with their own product. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why should it be our! burden. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman">>>>> >>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>> OS Xby theblind" >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:37 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi CB, there are two ways this could be done. Apple could >>>>>>>>> engineer an ui >>>>>>>>> and back it with vo or a 3rd party could develop an app that >>>>>>>>> talks. there >>>>>>>>> is a hardware device for the IPod called ITel I think that >>>>>>>>> achieves at least >>>>>>>>> part of this for the IPod. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Blouch" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>>>>> Mac OS X by >>>>>>>>> theblind" >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:33 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone accessible? >>>>>>>>> Obviously >>>>>>>>> it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? There is no >>>>>>>>> tactile >>>>>>>>> UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen kiosk and some have >>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>> instructions saying to touch the top left for yes or top right >>>>>>>>> for no. >>>>>>>>> That kind of interaction model doesn't scale very well for >>>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>>> interaction like typing an email . Not making excuses for >>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>> but this >>>>>>>>> seems like a tough nut to crack. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was >>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>> about another issue and was told that apple would "look into >>>>>>>>>>> it" This >>>>>>>>>>> was in June, and appparently nothing has been resolved as of >>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone >>>>>>>>>> business going >>>>>>>>>> on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been like >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over >>>>>>>>>> functionality and >>>>>>>>>> accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that we have such a >>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>> functioning screen reader as we have. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question >>>>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>> usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. If >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners and >>>>>>>>>> complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to happen. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > > >
