Our computer programmer friend is excited about making this possible tour + discussion a reality.
It's too soon to talk about what the plan is, in case it flops and doesn't work. Or gets changed to something different. That can happen too. People take the original idea and morph it into a new plan of some sort. Essentially it involves getting Steve Job's ear though. *smile* It's a long shot, but, if one has the right connections, it could happen! And I mentioned some incentives that might make good carrots (publicity, money). janet ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:14:53 -0800 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange happening > To: [email protected] > > oh i'm not kidding; tell me the date and i'll have a bloody ticket, lol. > On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:47 PM, UCLA Bruins Fan wrote: > >> I was just kidding, but I would totally be up for coming up to >> Cupertino and doing this if people are serious. >> >> On Jul 22, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Mike's Western Account wrote: >> >>> this is something i think i would like to do i dont know about >>> others;) >>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I live in a dinky little apartment! But something could be >>>> arranged somehow! >>>> >>>> I did a map directions search from our place to the facility. It >>>> is just over 71 miles, and 1 hour 25 minutes travel time driving, >>>> one way. Because of driving through the city. >>>> >>>> So I'm not sure we're the most convenient of locations. We do >>>> have friends who live closer to Cupertino who might be willing to >>>> allow us to use their house as a base. We'd have to do some >>>> checking. >>>> >>>> janet >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:01:58 -0800 >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>> happening >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> and can we use your house as a base? >>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Felix says, arrange a tour of the facility. For a bunch of blind >>>>>> people. And then ask if (we) can sit down and talk to the >>>>>> research/ >>>>>> development team leader to discuss ideas for better accessibility. >>>>>> >>>>>> We live about 70 miles north of Cupertino. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just brainstorming. >>>>>> janet >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>> happening >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:33:14 -0400 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure. Cupertino, here I come. LOL. :) I have to go up to the >>>>>>> bay area >>>>>>> in October, so how about it? :) >>>>>>> I wish there was a way we could all camp out, but somehow I >>>>>>> doubt it >>>>>>> would be effective. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Mike's Western Account wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hey lets camp out side apple's hq untel something's done more >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> there media devises, lol >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike's Western Account">>> >>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>> OS X by theblind" >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> i think that we just need to go to apple and make things get >>>>>>>>>> done;) lol >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> speaking of IPods, why can't they put some form of speech >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> voiceover into IPods. I mean come on, if it could be done >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> Rockbox, then, surely Apple could do it with their own >>>>>>>>>>> product. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why should it be our! burden. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman">>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use >>>>>>>>>>> of Mac >>>>>>>>>>> OS Xby theblind" >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:37 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: IPhone accessibility: was: Re: iTunes strange >>>>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi CB, there are two ways this could be done. Apple could >>>>>>>>>>>> engineer an ui >>>>>>>>>>>> and back it with vo or a 3rd party could develop an app that >>>>>>>>>>>> talks. there >>>>>>>>>>>> is a hardware device for the IPod called ITel I think that >>>>>>>>>>>> achieves at least >>>>>>>>>>>> part of this for the IPod. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Blouch" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac OS X by >>>>>>>>>>>> theblind" >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:33 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iTunes strange happening >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So out of curiosity, how would you make an iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? >>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously >>>>>>>>>>>> it needs a speech engine, but how do you interact? There >>>>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>>>> tactile >>>>>>>>>>>> UI. I think it's a lot like a touch screen kiosk and some >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>> instructions saying to touch the top left for yes or top >>>>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>>> for no. >>>>>>>>>>>> That kind of interaction model doesn't scale very well for >>>>>>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>>>>>> interaction like typing an email . Not making excuses for >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>> but this >>>>>>>>>>>> seems like a tough nut to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 jul 2008 kl. 05.10 skrev UCLA Bruins Fan: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did bring this to an apple agents attention when I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about another issue and was told that apple would "look >>>>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it" This >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in June, and appparently nothing has been resolved >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But seriously, what do you expect with all this Iphone >>>>>>>>>>>>> business going >>>>>>>>>>>>> on? I'm sorry to sound like i do, but it has always been >>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> that snassy flashy looks has been prioritized over >>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality and >>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility. To be frank, i'm surprised that we have >>>>>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>> functioning screen reader as we have. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With all this said, i agree that the dialog in question >>>>>>>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>>>>> usable, i just wonder what the best way to get there is. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If we >>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>> angry and demanding, we will only be regarded as whiners >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> complainers and if we ask politely, not much seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>> happen. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Time for vacation? 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