Marty, As a matter of fact, there is a tutorial or help system throughout the OS. There are two main modes by which you can scroll the screen--group mode and DOM mode. I'm getting a little technical here, but for now, the easiest way for me to tell you is, you'll be doing a lot of interacting with your machine, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. And as I stated to you, in a private message to you, the terminology for the Mac is somewhat different than that of Windows because a function for the Mac may be similar, but are approached in a different way. Someone with better communications skills than I have can put it in its proper perspective; but that is why we are here, right? Smiles. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Sep 22, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Chris Gilland Desktop wrote:

That won't set the speech options permanently though
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: questions regarding the mac


inflection cannot be changed through the voiceover utility, but everything
else can.

to directly access a number of items of voice over control, hold down the command-option-control and use left and right arrow to move through the
options and up and down arrow to adjust the settings.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Rimpau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
To: "mac visionaries list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:51 PM
Subject: questions regarding the mac


Hello, my name is Marty, and I'm a new person on the list, and am
seriously thinking about the mac, because of the fact that voice over
is built in to the operating system, and I know I'm looking at this
thing through the eyes of windows, but I've tried writing a couple
people with no response, but I did get a friend of mine to put Edward
Alonzo's 98 everything mac on sendspace, but being so use to
window-eyes, I had some questions, so I'll paste the original message I
wrote to Edward and Holly late Saturday evening.
Hello, Edward, and Holly, I am a windows 98 se user, and am several
versions behind with regard to my screen reader window-eyes, and for
this reason, and because voice over was a part of the operating
system,
I am interested in the mac, but have some questions regarding the
quick
start tutorial. Maybe this is unfair, for I am looking at this from a
windows perspective, and I realyze that with the mac, you have to
throw
windows concepts out the window, but why are they having you worry
about navigating complex tables, when you are new to the operating
system, since one may not know voice over?  The screen reader meerly
should be voicing what a sighted person sees on the screen, and I
found, possibly, looking at this through the unfair lenses of windows,
that it seems that a lot of options were left out, for example, why
isn't there some type of smart table mode, where the screen reader
reads the contents of the table as you down arrow through it, so that,
if you have to interact with a button at the bottom of a table, you
can
do that, because, to me, interacting with a control, means, checking a
check box, or radio button, not meerly the privilege of reading the
information one needs to read, and if they started out with
complicated
tables, then, why didn't it take you to an imaginary web page, where
with the safari browser, you could navigate links and such?  Is
there a
way to get in to the voice over control pannel to change inflection
and
such, or does one always have to access these options through the
quick
start tutorial?  Remember, I know nothing about the mac, and I
appologize for looking at this thing from the unfair vantage point of
windows, but seeing that I've never seen a mac, nor even an xp
machine,
I have only my limited knowledge to go on.  I think there should be
some type of instant tutorial, available from anywhere within the mac environment, so that, if one has trouble navigating complex tables, he
can be guided through the table by the tutorial.  I felt frustrated,
hearing some of the tutorial, because I felt like, you weren't exactly
describing what you were doing, though, I will say, thank you for
doing
this podcast, that a mac friend of mine downloaded, and put on
sendspace, so I could hear it, and at least, now, when I go look at a
mac, I'll have a much better concept of what to do, and how to
approach
things. Is control option right and left arrow, the only way to move
the cursor around, and can you use the right and left arrows by
themselves to do things like spell a word?  Does voice over have a
manual to read?  I think it is neat that the macs seem to be built
much
better than windows machines. If the concepts behind the mac could be explained, rather than meer instructions for getting things done, then
I think some of the frustration I felt could be dealt with, but I'm
not
upset at you guys, just one thing at a time, and let's not worry about
complicated tables until we get there, but maybe future editions of
quick start, will give you just what you need to know, and then you
can
learn, a little at a time, until you master the operating system.
Thanks for reading this, but these were some questions I had, and one
more, if you don't mind, if you only had to plug in the key board,
mouse, and power cord, then, in a situation where a person was using a high speed connection, like I am, then, where does the ethernet cable
go, because there was no mention of any ethernet connections for dsl
or
cable and such. Once again, thanks for reading this, but I am curious
about the mac.

Marty











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