Oh, no problem Krister. I'd add that while VoiceOver is different
than JFW and WE in its approach to working with the operating system
and applications it is not as confusing in that once the commands are
learned with VO they can be used everywhere. And because VO is part
of the os it is not the cause of any of the conflicts I personally
experienced with JFW and Windows. I use StickyKeys and VO works well
with StickyKeys while I had trouble withJFW and StickyKeys under
Windows. It turned out to be the replaced keyboard driver that
Freedom Scientific used.
Another thing is that whenever a new version of Itune for example
comes out on the Mac the accessibility is generally improved without
having to download an updated version of a screen reader or have to
pay a software maintenance agreement to get the desired
accessibility. Windows screen readers need to be updated to work with
inaccessible programs whereas here on the Mac applications are more
and more being written with accessibility in mind.
I probably have left some things out or have left holes big enough for
a truck to be driven through but this is what I have come up off the
top of my head. Given more thought and some prompting no doubt I can
come up with a better argument why VO is better than the Windows
dragons.
Randy
On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:34 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Hi Randy,
I'm sorry but i have to ask this, not to start a flame war here even
if the question could seem provoking to people. I'm asking this
because i myself want arguments to toss at people who are used to
the jaws/we concept of things.
Exactly in what way is Voiceover better than the big dragons out
there?
Yes it's built into the os thereby eluminating costs which is good.
There are no scripts, which people i've talked to find strange,
because they want to be able to customize non-standard areas of the
screen such as in sound editing.
Yes, web page navigation is in some parts far superior on the mac,
whether it depends on the os and/or anything else i don't know, but
what else? Sometimes i have the feeling that we praise our beloved
macs and rightly so, but when people ask why, we don't quite have
answers, heck i have no answers sometimes which is why i ask.
Again, please forgive me for asking this, but i have to know if i'm
going to be advocating the Mac, which i will.
Off my soap box and on to my local apple store to get myself an
Imac! Yay!
On, at [GMT] (which was 18:41 where I live) you
wrote::
RS> Still a toy? Expletive deleted! This makes me puke! Jaws
RS> standards! 12 hundred dollars! Not likely! I love my Mac!
RS> VoiceOver rules!
RS> Randy
RS> On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
Forwarded from another list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:54 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Mac and VoiceOver
I'm considering buying a macbook and am looking for opinions on its
usability for a totally blind user. I realize that Mac OS has a
built-in screen reader, but quick google searches aren't providing
much more information than the fact that VoiceOver exists and
that it
seems to be a fairly impressive product. This is fine, but I'd like
more detail on it's day-to-day usage, preferably from users or
students who have made the switch from Windows and Jaws to using a
macbook for their everyday computer use. All in all, what I'm
trying
to figure out is If it's worth seriously considering and making a
switch, Or is it still a toy, impressive but still not up to Jaws
and
windows standards? Feel free to write me on or off list with any
comments or thoughts.
- Brice
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