Hi Randy, These and Jacobs are very good points. I will certainly take them to heart when starting to advocate.:-) /Krister
On, at [GMT] (which was 16:26 where I live) you wrote:: RS> Oh, no problem Krister. I'd add that while VoiceOver is different RS> than JFW and WE in its approach to working with the operating system RS> and applications it is not as confusing in that once the commands are RS> learned with VO they can be used everywhere. And because VO is part RS> of the os it is not the cause of any of the conflicts I personally RS> experienced with JFW and Windows. I use StickyKeys and VO works well RS> with StickyKeys while I had trouble withJFW and StickyKeys under RS> Windows. It turned out to be the replaced keyboard driver that RS> Freedom Scientific used. RS> Another thing is that whenever a new version of Itune for example RS> comes out on the Mac the accessibility is generally improved without RS> having to download an updated version of a screen reader or have to RS> pay a software maintenance agreement to get the desired RS> accessibility. Windows screen readers need to be updated to work with RS> inaccessible programs whereas here on the Mac applications are more RS> and more being written with accessibility in mind. RS> I probably have left some things out or have left holes big enough for RS> a truck to be driven through but this is what I have come up off the RS> top of my head. Given more thought and some prompting no doubt I can RS> come up with a better argument why VO is better than the Windows RS> dragons. RS> Randy RS> On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:34 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> Hi Randy, >> I'm sorry but i have to ask this, not to start a flame war here even >> if the question could seem provoking to people. I'm asking this >> because i myself want arguments to toss at people who are used to >> the jaws/we concept of things. >> Exactly in what way is Voiceover better than the big dragons out >> there? >> Yes it's built into the os thereby eluminating costs which is good. >> There are no scripts, which people i've talked to find strange, >> because they want to be able to customize non-standard areas of the >> screen such as in sound editing. >> Yes, web page navigation is in some parts far superior on the mac, >> whether it depends on the os and/or anything else i don't know, but >> what else? Sometimes i have the feeling that we praise our beloved >> macs and rightly so, but when people ask why, we don't quite have >> answers, heck i have no answers sometimes which is why i ask. >> Again, please forgive me for asking this, but i have to know if i'm >> going to be advocating the Mac, which i will. >> Off my soap box and on to my local apple store to get myself an >> Imac! Yay! >> On, at [GMT] (which was 18:41 where I live) you >> wrote:: >> RS> Still a toy? Expletive deleted! This makes me puke! Jaws >> RS> standards! 12 hundred dollars! Not likely! I love my Mac! >> RS> VoiceOver rules! >> RS> Randy >> RS> On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Chris Wright wrote: >>>> Forwarded from another list. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Brice Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:54 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mac and VoiceOver >>>>> I'm considering buying a macbook and am looking for opinions on its >>>>> usability for a totally blind user. I realize that Mac OS has a >>>>> built-in screen reader, but quick google searches aren't providing >>>>> much more information than the fact that VoiceOver exists and >>>>> that it >>>>> seems to be a fairly impressive product. This is fine, but I'd like >>>>> more detail on it's day-to-day usage, preferably from users or >>>>> students who have made the switch from Windows and Jaws to using a >>>>> macbook for their everyday computer use. All in all, what I'm >>>>> trying >>>>> to figure out is If it's worth seriously considering and making a >>>>> switch, Or is it still a toy, impressive but still not up to Jaws >>>>> and >>>>> windows standards? Feel free to write me on or off list with any >>>>> comments or thoughts. >>>>> - Brice >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l/chriswright11%40verizon.net >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG. >>>>> Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1687 - Release Date: >>>>> 9/23/08 >>>> 6:32 PM >> -- >> /Krister >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Get pgp keys here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /Krister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get pgp keys here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
