On 12/12/05, Gianluca Turconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Of course, if you want to show to the readers the truth of an axiom
> like: "Open Source as a way of producing software has limitations" you
> can *show* examples, but you don't *demonstrate* anything.
>
> It's a common rhetorical technique.
>
> As far as I can admit Raymond's words are an assumption (that *can* be
> still valid) you should admit that what you/Brown/his editor/whoever has
> seen or believes to see in nowadays open source project don't prove
> Raymond was wrong. BTW, words have their meaning and an empiric fact is
> not an evidence of anything.



Actually, I believe it would.  The statement "Many eyes all bugs are
shallow" is a dogmatic one, and leave no room for exceptions.  Note the use
of the word "all".  The only way you can get out of this is if you believe
there simply aren't enough eyes.  I find that hard to believe with 53
million downloads.

Surely one-hundredth of one-percent of those millions are programmers
qualified to work on OOo.  That's over 5000 programmers.  That's 10000
eyes.  If 10000 eyes aren't enough, what is? 100000? A million?

With a dogmatic statement "all bugs are shallow" - the burden of proof lies
on the one making the statement, and one example of that *not* being true
disproves the dogmatic statement.  It's the same principle as the orginial
objection to Andrew's article that was (supposedly) disproven by a single
amature programmer contributing code.

However, Andrew's statement was not as dogmatic as the "many eyes"
statement, since Andrew said "As far as I know".  Which it would be very
hard to prove that Andrew did know something at the time of writing the
article that he himself claims not to know.

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