On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:39:26 -0600
Larry Gusaas wrote:

> On 6/20/07 11:25 PM, Michael Adams wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:07:12 -0600
> > Larry Gusaas wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> On 6/20/07 12:14 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >>     
> >>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:51:56 -0500, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>>>> I appreciate the idea and functionality of OpneOffice.org very
> >>>>>           
> >>> much.>>   However to replace a most dominant office suite
> >provider, i>> have no>> alternative for its outlook mail. Moreover, i
> >loose my mail>>       
> >>>>> archive/boxes
> >>>>> and address book.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Is here something for OOo to entertain?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Thank you very much and success for an open world!
> >>>>>           
> >>>> This question is asked, at least, daily. Most people on this list
> >>>> have an
> >>>> opinion on this one way or the other. The current answer is that 
> >>>> there is
> >>>> not presently an email client offered with OOo.
> >>>>
> >>>> IMHO I don't believe that OOo should never have a email
> >>>>         
> >>> application. > There
> >>>       
> >>>> are plenty of good Open Source email clients that will do the job
> >>>> (and the
> >>>> list and quality is improving all the time).
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my $0.02 worth...
> >>>>
> >>>> /paul
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>> Well this is an open source project after all, I do wonder how
> >many>> of those requestors are willing to either program or provide
> >the >> programmer to work on this task.
> >>>
> >>> FOSS is not just about requesting something but doing it yourself.
> >>>       
> >> So are you saying that if I can't program or provide a programmer I
> >> shouldn't use FOSS? That is pretty narrow minded.
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > No, more like: if you can't pay the piper, you can't call the tune
> 
> Attitudes like that make one want to quit using FOSS. Obviously you do
> not care about the users of OO.org. You seem to believe that only the 
> people who can program it should use it. Anyone else's opinion doesn't
> count. This attitude will drive people away.Besides, doesn't Sun pay
> the salaries of most of the OO.org developers?
> 

Actually FOSS is not really about something for nothing. That would be
perpetual motion which is impossible :)

If people want something bad enough, someone has to stump up the goods.
Be it programming themselves, supplying a programmer, or contributing
cash. Contributing a request doesn't ever get it done, unless it is a
request that a large majority of requesters have made. Even then it gets
balanced against 
 * what the project is 
 * what else is in development
 * resources for developing (programmers & cash)
 * more other factors than you can shake a stick at
In the case of an outlook replacement it has been decided to contribute
to Lightning and Thunderbird so something is getting done.

FOSS (Free Open Source Software) is about doing it yourself. Free means
you are free to modify the program (rather than or in addition to
costing nothing), Open Source means you will be given the program source
code to modify if you want. Users that don't contribute are still
welcome to use the program if they find it usefull. But unless thier
opinion is aligned with those that are contributing, they may not get or
reasonably expect a program that is tailored exactly to thier tastes

If you re-read what you have written above it looks like you want to
demand a custom built program without contributing anything at all. I
hope this is not the case. Perhaps the error came about by an ommission
in Alexandro's original statement, and if i am putting words in his
mouth i hope he will correct me.

Achieving changes in FOSS software "is not just about requesting
something but doing it yourself".

So you are welcome to cough some cash for the Thunderbird/Lightning
project if you can't program or supply a programmer.

-- 
Michael
Napier NZ
Linux: The OS people choose without $200,000,000 of persuasion.

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