On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:45:09 -0500, M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 03:16:40 AM -0500, Alexandro Colorado
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Here is where you are wrong. Developers don't have to code to fit users
need. Developers code because they want to and to make technological
difference.
Here you ignore, for example, students developing FOSS to get their
degree, that is a public university which demands to its students to
develop FOSS because citizens (thanks to effective and respectful
communication, not slogans or assumptions like yours) have learned to
demand laws to make this happen
On the flipside development on the OOo's language bindings, UNO Runtime
environment is a sign of what developers want to develop for. How much
effort has it been done to change the templates in OOo vs. just make a new
binding on the UNO layer or a new interface within the core API.
This is not just an assumption, I am just stating the facts, developers do
stuff because they want to and they think is cool, which might not be very
cool or useful to the users. If this is not telling you something, then I
guess we are just in two different lanes on this one.
User are not costumers in free software, users are the developers
and developers are the users. This is what you need to understand
first. That is why is called a community, is a commune you take
some, you give some.
This is "thing #7" again. By speaking in this way, no matter what you
actually believe, you are restricting FOSS to that microscopic elite
of people who can actively and realistically contribute to a
program. This comes out as very disturbing, unfriendly, elitist and
simply won't work today. You can become blue in the face, but at least
for another 9/10 generations, the percentage of people who will have
skills, time and money to be the kind of user that you request will
remain microscopic as today.
I doubt this is the reason of microscopic notion, if that was the truth
then there wouldn't be commercial software. You might see the passion that
Apple users idolatrize every single Apple product, yet if you have one of
this users ask for a feature to uncle steve jobs, I doubt you will ever
get a nice answer, actually the biggest elitist reply from any FOSS bigot
might sound like compliment from whatever you will get from Steve jobs.
Then why apple is so great, well is called sales man. Sales man will
promise you the world and much to get you that 'feel good' feeling and if
my marketing 101 lessons is create demand. But developers are not about
creating demand I am sorry to say that. But developers are about coding,
and sales man are about getting commission.
Yes in this world an age, you need FOSS sales people, people that wil make
you want OOo and tell you that OOo will get you to the top of the tallest
mountain and will make you travel to places you never imagine.
I guess there is just not that many people in the community to lie you in
such a way. I am sorry, I am not so modern to promise the user OOoutlook
will be out soon if its not.
Your feedback is well over taken and answered, if you want something
more than an answer then you should give more.
Please note that, however it may seem from my previous remarks, I
believe that you are absolutely right here and, in principle, on
several other things you've said in this thread. The problem is that
the only "more" that 95% of people can give to FOSS is voting for it,
and it won't happen if they are driven away with any variant of the
"users are developers" slogan
If users are not developing this software, then who u think is going to
develop this software? Sun? If that's what you want then we should make
OOo a freeware as opposed to a FLOSS project.
Marco
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