Cool! I was (obviously?) unaware of the easily searchable/indexed discuss database.
I realize running a forum is pretty involved, which is why I suggested we gauge the interest before going through all the effort. I'd also like to be involved in the setup, seems fair since I suggested it. Just because the whole 'space is a work in progress doesn't mean we can't present a polished product to potential members or the public. We are trying to attract a wide demographic, some of them may be design professionals. You don't have to be a marketing or art history major to appreciate a well designed interface. While it may not be a deal breaker for someone just because our webpage is mediawiki or we only use mailing lists to keep in touch, that's no reason to not have a fancy webpage or a forum. -Andrew On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > On Monday, August 12, 2013 12:54:49 PM a l wrote: > > I guess I just have a different perception of mailing lists vs forums. > > IMO, when done correctly forums look more professional. Forums are also > > ...and SYNHAK looks professional elsewhere? Are we trying to attract big > business professionals who are immediately turned off by an unprofessional > website, or are we trying to attract hackers and other people who are here > to > make cool things? > > > search engine indexed and allow new members/visitors to view all the > > conversation that has ever occurred on a topic. > > We've got a full archive: > > http://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/ > > And this one is searchable: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > Again I must be different, but when I post a question on a forum I don't > > have trouble remembering to check for an answer. It's almost always the > > opposite. > > > > -Andrew > > On Aug 11, 2013 7:47 PM, "Alexander Golightley" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > Yeah, I have to agree with Torrie on this. A forum you have to > remember to > > > go to. The mailing list comes right into your inbox. > > > On Aug 11, 2013 10:44 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > >> On Sunday, August 11, 2013 05:18:31 PM a l wrote: > > >> > It seems to me that becoming more specialized in topics might be > better > > >> > suited to a dedicated Syn/hak forum. I realize that this presents a > > >> > > >> number > > >> > > >> > of issues in terms of server space and anti-spam software but I feel > > >> > > >> that > > >> > > >> > if we go this wide topic discussion route were out growing the > mailing > > >> > > >> list > > >> > > >> > communication model. > > >> > > > >> > Since my technical know how it's lacking in this area,sys admins > feel > > >> > > >> few > > >> > > >> > to tell me a forum isn't with the time investment. Or perhaps we > should > > >> > > >> do > > >> > > >> > a 6 month list Serv trial to gauge interest > > >> > > >> If someone asks to have forums on the website, I'd be happy to help > them > > >> set > > >> one up. Personally, I'm a fan of mailing lists instead of forums. They > > >> don't > > >> need a webbrowser to participate, you don't need to signup to send > mail > > >> to the > > >> list, and it has its own builtin mechanism for figuring out if anyone > > >> replied > > >> to your post and when anyone posts something new. > > >> > > >> I'd also probably never check them because that would be another > > >> communication > > >> channel I'd have to follow and keep secure. > > >> > > >> > On Aug 9, 2013 4:29 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > Hello, friends! > > >> > > > > >> > > I'm unsticking the mailman lists because the setup was stupid and > > >> > > >> broken > > >> > > >> > > and I > > >> > > think we need more moderators and the possibility to dish out > lists > > >> > > to > > >> > > members > > >> > > who want to run one. Previously: > > >> > > > > >> > > * sysadmin@ was the main sysadmin list for everything, including > > >> > > >> security > > >> > > >> > > sensitive bits > > >> > > * sysadmin@ was the owner address for all of the other lists > (board, > > >> > > discuss, > > >> > > members, etc) > > >> > > * When spam got caught in a list, a notification went to sysadmin@ > > >> > > * synhak sysadmins were subscribed and listed as admins for > sysadmin@ > > >> > > * Spam notifications would get moderated at [email protected] > > >> > > >> being > > >> > > >> > > too > > >> > > large or appearing spammy (you don't say!) > > >> > > * I'd end up getting one mail saying something was caught in the > > >> > > >> sysadmin > > >> > > >> > > moderation queue, a second one if I approved it saying something > was > > >> > > caught in > > >> > > the discuss queue, and a third when the rejection from > sysadmin@would > > >> > > bounce > > >> > > back to sysadmin-owner. > > >> > > > > >> > > Additionally, another issue I thought about from a discussion with > > >> > > >> Persa a > > >> > > >> > > while ago: > > >> > > > > >> > > * If someone else wanted to own a list, we sysadmins would end up > > >> > > >> getting > > >> > > >> > > all > > >> > > their moderation spam crap even though we don't moderate the list > > >> > > > > >> > > Thats no fun 8( > > >> > > > > >> > > So here's what I'm changing: > > >> > > > > >> > > * Making [email protected] the list owner for synhak's own lists > > >> > > (discuss@, > > >> > > board@, etc) > > >> > > * If someone wants to create their own list, they are set as the > > >> > > >> owner. > > >> > > >> > > Only > > >> > > synhak's lists should be managed by the synhak admins > > >> > > * If someone else (including a sysadmin) wants to moderate a list, > > >> > > >> thats > > >> > > >> > > up to > > >> > > the owner (who has the power to change it) > > >> > > * Only members can be list owners, but anyone can be a moderator > > >> > > >> since its > > >> > > >> > > not > > >> > > synhak, inc's list > > >> > > * Sysadmins don't have to think about managing other stuff unless > it > > >> > > somehow > > >> > > impacts our systems > > >> > > > > >> > > Heres why this is an Excellent thing: > > >> > > > > >> > > * I got really tired of the firehose of emails sysadmin@ turned > into > > >> > > >> which > > >> > > >> > > means someone else in the future would also tune out important > > >> > > >> sysadmin > > >> > > >> > > mails > > >> > > that get lost in the noise. > > >> > > * We need more moderators and it was never really clear that the > > >> > > >> community > > >> > > >> > > mailing lists were a community-ran resource > > >> > > * There is no reason why this community discussion platform > shouldn't > > >> > > >> be > > >> > > >> > > allowed to be used by others who want to anchor a community at > > >> > > SYNHAK. > > >> > > * I think it would be pretty excellent to have a boardgamingnight@ > , > > >> > > monthly- > > >> > > lan@, homebrewing@, mini-maker-faire@ or whatever list > > >> > > * People outside of membership (i.e. the full SYNHAK community) > might > > >> > > >> only > > >> > > >> > > be > > >> > > really interested in the machine-shop@ list and not care to hear > > >> > > >> about > > >> > > >> > > inane > > >> > > drivel from discuss@ > > >> > > > > >> > > Thoughts? Applications to help moderate discuss@ and announce@? > > >> > > >> Please? 8) > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > Discuss mailing list > > >> > > [email protected] > > >> > > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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