Dean:

Your input is valued very much. But I have to ask at what rate per hour can
I expect conscientious efficient workmanship? I either have to pay a project
manager that knows what he's doing, or a developer that has PM skills.

At this point due to all the broken stuff in the past months funds are
extremely tight and I have to really count my pennies and insure correct
results the first time.

Preesh turned me onto a PM that I like and we are both looking at a way to
skin this cat efficiently.

Everyone seems to want money I can not afford so I have to cut all the
corners I can.

FWIW I feel that I have enough of a grasp and connections to modify the DB
and normalize it without a problem.

So really it will be a matter of making the app.

A while ago someone (John, Charlie, and Howard know who) gave me a link to a
Custom ??? that pulled in CSV's in CF and that will be a pivotal tool to
work from. So its putting that CSV tool into CF code, and outputting to the
tables I will have made.

Maybe some SP's in the DB may be needed but the ideas for how it will work
are slowly coming together. It's just a matter of reading, talking, forming,
listing, writing, tweaking, looking etc till I get a grip on this. And I am.

But bottom line... I HAVE TO find a way to do it for under a grand, and a
grand is a REAL stretch!

Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce

Robert,

FWIW, buyer beware.

$8/hr developers?  You get what you pay for.  Not that I think off- 
shore development is bad, quite the contrary, but it requires more  
hands-on work from you or a project manager to get things done  
correctly.

-dhs

Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not  
that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant."
     -- Robert F. Kennedy, 1964

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On Jul 10, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Robert Reil wrote:

> I figured that those would be the files. I just forgot how to find  
> them. But I think I know what you are talking about. See Fusion  
> should help me find those files.
>
>
>
> As to the 8$ an hour or so for coding this would be an offshore  
> project. I have some developers and project manager connections to  
> help me describe and plan this project.
>
>
>
> 7K$ for this modification? I can't even think about spending that  
> kind of money right now. I don't know what that kind of money looks  
> like yet, hence the reason why I have to learn CF.
>
>
>
> Cust data privacy I won't give it to them. I can copy the DB and  
> dump the content of that table. They only need access to product  
> tables, and vendor spreadsheets. What can they do with that?
>
>
>
> As it is now I think that Im going to add separate tables and just  
> have the Able Products prices populated from the other tables that  
> Able is not aware of. This seems the easiest way to keep Able from  
> writing on top of important info during an upgrade. I think I  
> FINALLY (bet you all are glad to hear that!) on the right path.
>
>
>
> Thanks all for the direction and as I said above I am getting  
> control of what it is I really need and the ability to define it.  
> Wow what a leaning curve this has been so far!
>
>
>
> Robert P. Reil
>
> Managing Director,
>
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
>
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
>
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
>
> Office 770-974-8851
>
> Fax 770-974-8852
>
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:02 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
>
>
>
> Wow.  Robert just in case you have not figured it out by now the  
> pages that were causing the problems are most likely those that you  
> posted on this list a week or so back.  I can't remember them now ,  
> but they were posted here.  That should help you if this is still  
> an issue.
>
>
>
> As to the mention of several dollar an hour coders, you will get  
> what you pay for there.  And naturally you can offshore the  
> development but you are not guaranteed a level of service or the  
> privacy of your customer data etc.
>
>
>
> I think Several hundred thousand dollars seems a bit much for the  
> project you are speaking of, however I do not think that several  
> thousand dollars would be out of the question.  You have a fairly  
> complex set of requirements, and you do not or did not have a full  
> set of requirements.  You need to fully document the requirements  
> and how you expect the new application to interact with  
> ablecommerce and then decide how that interaction should be developed.
>
>
>
> Once this is done it might point you or a developer in the right  
> direction.  I see too often where I work now, that certain groups  
> attempt to build a boat only to find out they needed something that  
> could fly.
>
>
>
> Cody
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert  
> Reil
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 6:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
>
>
>
> This is a new thread as a continuation from one a while back that  
> is all revolving around the same issues I am having with trying to  
> get the tables in Able Commerce moved around.
>
>
>
> http://forums.topsites.com/viewtopic.php?t=3623
>
> will catch you up to speed.
>
> The topic changes on response 5 from JMESTEP and really does a good  
> job of describing what is needed for me in the interest in getting  
> this cart working like my business model requires.
>
>
>
> This is mostly an exercise in planning a modification, or a new app.
>
> Those that feel that they can help please read this thread and  
> reply either to that thread or in here with your perspectives.
>
> I have reason to believe that custom code and an app external to  
> Able Commerce could solve my problems.
>
>
>
> Please I beg for direction.
>
>
>
> Robert P. Reil
>
> Managing Director,
>
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
>
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
>
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
>
> Office 770-974-8851
>
> Fax 770-974-8852
>
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
>
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