Dean:
I appreciate that. But when you shake your wallet and the mortgage money has
to be scraped out, 7K$ is not an option! If it's not there its not there!
Im trying some other options too like interns as well. There has to be a
way. And the only way 7K is the way is the way for me to go to bankruptcy
court.
If it was any other year no problem. This year our seasonal business is 3
months behind the curve due to Google changing its rules in Sept and us not
knowing why we had no sales (blaming it on the winter) till April when the
numbers were not coming in like they should. Add 2 months for search engines
to note the changes and now you have our sales acting like they should but
4-5 months roughly of lost sales. THAT HURTS BAD! So we are on recovery
mode. But we have to grow too. And furthermore! October is on its way and so
are drastic sales drops.
Again I appreciate your point and value it. But I think in case as correct
as you may be your correctness is not an option for us to consider at this
time.
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
Robert,
I think you're looking at this the wrong way.
What does your time cost you? How much other stuff could you get done in
that time if you didn't have to muck around with this? I'm sure you have
other things going on to grow your business where you can add more value
with the limited time you have.
When you start looking at it that way, $7k suddenly doesn't seem like too
much money.
Certification will teach you the semantics of the language, but not how to
be a good programmer. I know lots of people with certs who can't program
their way out of a wet paper bag with both ends open...
Just some more thoughts for you to consider...
-dhs
On July 11, 2006, Robert Reil wrote:
> Guess Ill go for cheap and correct. Just keep doing the best I can till I
> get there... Fortunately I have time to make this happen. It's a thorn in
my
> side, but each simple feature makes my life easier. So once one thing
works
> I just add another and another till it starts working. When it works it
> works, and until it does not it does not.
>
> Fortunately only one thing affects the cart. And that will be some sort of
> autopopulate from the output of another table. Maybe a Stored Procedure,
or
> a CFML logic. Better yet a SP that is ran from a CFM page.
> The other part is just the csv importer that was given to me a couple
months
> ago.
>
> I just can not justify $7,000 for this tool. So if I have to get a
> certification and stumble my way through it then that's what it is.
> I appreciate DEEPLY all on list, and off list comments in this reguards. I
> had no idea that development was this expensive.
>
> Well the same enlightenment drove me to my MCSE, so I guess history
repeats
> itself!
>
> See you all in study group! :)
>
> Robert P. Reil
> Managing Director,
> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> Office 770-974-8851
> Fax 770-974-8852
> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:14 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
>
> Robert,
>
> I hear your dilemma, but software development is not cheap.
>
> There are three points, making a triangle, that describe
> development. They are: cheap, fast and correct. You can pick any
> two at the expense of the third. You want cheap and fast, therefore,
> correctness will suffer. Maybe you want cheap and correct, in which
> case the time it takes to develop the solution will suffer. As a
> project manager you should be striving to balance all three. But
> with a fixed budget, I fear you have a problem.
>
> In the US a decent developer will be ~$40 - $60/hour. A senior
> developer may cost more, much more. But there is truth in the axiom
> that a senior developer may cost twice as much, but he/she will be
> 10,000 times more productive than someone more junior.
>
> I'm not trying to rake you over the coals, just showing you some of
> the realities of software development. Good luck in your quest.
>
> -dhs
>
>
> Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his
> own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who
> denies another this right makes a slave of himself to his present
> opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it."
> -- Thomas Paine, 1783
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Robert Reil wrote:
>
> > Dean:
> >
> > Your input is valued very much. But I have to ask at what rate per
> > hour can
> > I expect conscientious efficient workmanship? I either have to pay
> > a project
> > manager that knows what he's doing, or a developer that has PM skills.
> >
> > At this point due to all the broken stuff in the past months funds are
> > extremely tight and I have to really count my pennies and insure
> > correct
> > results the first time.
> >
> > Preesh turned me onto a PM that I like and we are both looking at a
> > way to
> > skin this cat efficiently.
> >
> > Everyone seems to want money I can not afford so I have to cut all the
> > corners I can.
> >
> > FWIW I feel that I have enough of a grasp and connections to modify
> > the DB
> > and normalize it without a problem.
> >
> > So really it will be a matter of making the app.
> >
> > A while ago someone (John, Charlie, and Howard know who) gave me a
> > link to a
> > Custom ??? that pulled in CSV's in CF and that will be a pivotal
> > tool to
> > work from. So its putting that CSV tool into CF code, and
> > outputting to the
> > tables I will have made.
> >
> > Maybe some SP's in the DB may be needed but the ideas for how it
> > will work
> > are slowly coming together. It's just a matter of reading, talking,
> > forming,
> > listing, writing, tweaking, looking etc till I get a grip on this.
> > And I am.
> >
> > But bottom line... I HAVE TO find a way to do it for under a grand,
> > and a
> > grand is a REAL stretch!
> >
> > Robert P. Reil
> > Managing Director,
> > Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> > 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> > Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> > Office 770-974-8851
> > Fax 770-974-8852
> > www.motorcyclecarbs.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:25 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > FWIW, buyer beware.
> >
> > $8/hr developers? You get what you pay for. Not that I think off-
> > shore development is bad, quite the contrary, but it requires more
> > hands-on work from you or a project manager to get things done
> > correctly.
> >
> > -dhs
> >
> > Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not
> > that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant."
> > -- Robert F. Kennedy, 1964
> >
> > Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd
> >
> > On Jul 10, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Robert Reil wrote:
> >
> >> I figured that those would be the files. I just forgot how to find
> >> them. But I think I know what you are talking about. See Fusion
> >> should help me find those files.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As to the 8$ an hour or so for coding this would be an offshore
> >> project. I have some developers and project manager connections to
> >> help me describe and plan this project.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 7K$ for this modification? I can't even think about spending that
> >> kind of money right now. I don't know what that kind of money looks
> >> like yet, hence the reason why I have to learn CF.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cust data privacy I won't give it to them. I can copy the DB and
> >> dump the content of that table. They only need access to product
> >> tables, and vendor spreadsheets. What can they do with that?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As it is now I think that Im going to add separate tables and just
> >> have the Able Products prices populated from the other tables that
> >> Able is not aware of. This seems the easiest way to keep Able from
> >> writing on top of important info during an upgrade. I think I
> >> FINALLY (bet you all are glad to hear that!) on the right path.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the direction and as I said above I am getting
> >> control of what it is I really need and the ability to define it.
> >> Wow what a leaning curve this has been so far!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert P. Reil
> >>
> >> Managing Director,
> >>
> >> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> >>
> >> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> >>
> >> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> >>
> >> Office 770-974-8851
> >>
> >> Fax 770-974-8852
> >>
> >> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
> >>
> >> From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:02 PM
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow. Robert just in case you have not figured it out by now the
> >> pages that were causing the problems are most likely those that you
> >> posted on this list a week or so back. I can't remember them now ,
> >> but they were posted here. That should help you if this is still
> >> an issue.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As to the mention of several dollar an hour coders, you will get
> >> what you pay for there. And naturally you can offshore the
> >> development but you are not guaranteed a level of service or the
> >> privacy of your customer data etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think Several hundred thousand dollars seems a bit much for the
> >> project you are speaking of, however I do not think that several
> >> thousand dollars would be out of the question. You have a fairly
> >> complex set of requirements, and you do not or did not have a full
> >> set of requirements. You need to fully document the requirements
> >> and how you expect the new application to interact with
> >> ablecommerce and then decide how that interaction should be
> >> developed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Once this is done it might point you or a developer in the right
> >> direction. I see too often where I work now, that certain groups
> >> attempt to build a boat only to find out they needed something that
> >> could fly.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cody
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
> >> Reil
> >> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 6:08 PM
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is a new thread as a continuation from one a while back that
> >> is all revolving around the same issues I am having with trying to
> >> get the tables in Able Commerce moved around.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://forums.topsites.com/viewtopic.php?t=3623
> >>
> >> will catch you up to speed.
> >>
> >> The topic changes on response 5 from JMESTEP and really does a good
> >> job of describing what is needed for me in the interest in getting
> >> this cart working like my business model requires.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is mostly an exercise in planning a modification, or a new app.
> >>
> >> Those that feel that they can help please read this thread and
> >> reply either to that thread or in here with your perspectives.
> >>
> >> I have reason to believe that custom code and an app external to
> >> Able Commerce could solve my problems.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please I beg for direction.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert P. Reil
> >>
> >> Managing Director,
> >>
> >> Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
> >>
> >> 4292 Country Garden Walk NW
> >>
> >> Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
> >>
> >> Office 770-974-8851
> >>
> >> Fax 770-974-8852
> >>
> >> www.motorcyclecarbs.com
> >>
> >>
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