Robert,
I hear your dilemma, but software development is not cheap.
There are three points, making a triangle, that describe
development. They are: cheap, fast and correct. You can pick any
two at the expense of the third. You want cheap and fast, therefore,
correctness will suffer. Maybe you want cheap and correct, in which
case the time it takes to develop the solution will suffer. As a
project manager you should be striving to balance all three. But
with a fixed budget, I fear you have a problem.
In the US a decent developer will be ~$40 - $60/hour. A senior
developer may cost more, much more. But there is truth in the axiom
that a senior developer may cost twice as much, but he/she will be
10,000 times more productive than someone more junior.
I'm not trying to rake you over the coals, just showing you some of
the realities of software development. Good luck in your quest.
-dhs
Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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denies another this right makes a slave of himself to his present
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On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Robert Reil wrote:
Dean:
Your input is valued very much. But I have to ask at what rate per
hour can
I expect conscientious efficient workmanship? I either have to pay
a project
manager that knows what he's doing, or a developer that has PM skills.
At this point due to all the broken stuff in the past months funds are
extremely tight and I have to really count my pennies and insure
correct
results the first time.
Preesh turned me onto a PM that I like and we are both looking at a
way to
skin this cat efficiently.
Everyone seems to want money I can not afford so I have to cut all the
corners I can.
FWIW I feel that I have enough of a grasp and connections to modify
the DB
and normalize it without a problem.
So really it will be a matter of making the app.
A while ago someone (John, Charlie, and Howard know who) gave me a
link to a
Custom ??? that pulled in CSV's in CF and that will be a pivotal
tool to
work from. So its putting that CSV tool into CF code, and
outputting to the
tables I will have made.
Maybe some SP's in the DB may be needed but the ideas for how it
will work
are slowly coming together. It's just a matter of reading, talking,
forming,
listing, writing, tweaking, looking etc till I get a grip on this.
And I am.
But bottom line... I HAVE TO find a way to do it for under a grand,
and a
grand is a REAL stretch!
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
Robert,
FWIW, buyer beware.
$8/hr developers? You get what you pay for. Not that I think off-
shore development is bad, quite the contrary, but it requires more
hands-on work from you or a project manager to get things done
correctly.
-dhs
Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant."
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On Jul 10, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Robert Reil wrote:
I figured that those would be the files. I just forgot how to find
them. But I think I know what you are talking about. See Fusion
should help me find those files.
As to the 8$ an hour or so for coding this would be an offshore
project. I have some developers and project manager connections to
help me describe and plan this project.
7K$ for this modification? I can't even think about spending that
kind of money right now. I don't know what that kind of money looks
like yet, hence the reason why I have to learn CF.
Cust data privacy I won't give it to them. I can copy the DB and
dump the content of that table. They only need access to product
tables, and vendor spreadsheets. What can they do with that?
As it is now I think that Im going to add separate tables and just
have the Able Products prices populated from the other tables that
Able is not aware of. This seems the easiest way to keep Able from
writing on top of important info during an upgrade. I think I
FINALLY (bet you all are glad to hear that!) on the right path.
Thanks all for the direction and as I said above I am getting
control of what it is I really need and the ability to define it.
Wow what a leaning curve this has been so far!
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
Wow. Robert just in case you have not figured it out by now the
pages that were causing the problems are most likely those that you
posted on this list a week or so back. I can't remember them now ,
but they were posted here. That should help you if this is still
an issue.
As to the mention of several dollar an hour coders, you will get
what you pay for there. And naturally you can offshore the
development but you are not guaranteed a level of service or the
privacy of your customer data etc.
I think Several hundred thousand dollars seems a bit much for the
project you are speaking of, however I do not think that several
thousand dollars would be out of the question. You have a fairly
complex set of requirements, and you do not or did not have a full
set of requirements. You need to fully document the requirements
and how you expect the new application to interact with
ablecommerce and then decide how that interaction should be
developed.
Once this is done it might point you or a developer in the right
direction. I see too often where I work now, that certain groups
attempt to build a boat only to find out they needed something that
could fly.
Cody
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Reil
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 6:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] Table reconstruction. Able Commerce
This is a new thread as a continuation from one a while back that
is all revolving around the same issues I am having with trying to
get the tables in Able Commerce moved around.
http://forums.topsites.com/viewtopic.php?t=3623
will catch you up to speed.
The topic changes on response 5 from JMESTEP and really does a good
job of describing what is needed for me in the interest in getting
this cart working like my business model requires.
This is mostly an exercise in planning a modification, or a new app.
Those that feel that they can help please read this thread and
reply either to that thread or in here with your perspectives.
I have reason to believe that custom code and an app external to
Able Commerce could solve my problems.
Please I beg for direction.
Robert P. Reil
Managing Director,
Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc.
4292 Country Garden Walk NW
Kennesaw, Ga. 30152
Office 770-974-8851
Fax 770-974-8852
www.motorcyclecarbs.com
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