Well the point is really you can't secure what you don't know about. CF can be a very secure platform if you know how to secure it and write secure code on top of it. Hiding details on security vulnerabilities does nothing to help the situation, the blackhats know the details and the rest of us are left to defend ourselves.

Honestly, I'm too lazy (er, busy!) right now to go look up the specifics on this vulnerability that is mentioned here...

-dhs


Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
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On Aug 1, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Kevin wrote:

"Security by obscurity is not a good mechanism... let everyone see."

Yes really...
Thats what MS does... Hide everything so you cant see the holes?

This community may find out your NOT as secure as you thought?



On 8/1/07, Dean H. Saxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Security by obscurity is not a good mechanism... let everyone see.

-dhs


Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
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On Aug 1, 2007, at 3:24 PM, John Mason wrote:

Dean, I'll need to email you off list after the meeting. I naturally don't
like sharing that stuff in the open for everyone to see.

For everyone out there - needless to say, don't just depend on the CF level of security. Security should always include multiple layers. Otherwise it
won't hold up very well.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe
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Sandbox security is fine when it is backed up by OS-level security.

What hack do you refer to? That's a new one on me.

-dhs


Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH
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peoples' willingness to contest them"
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On Aug 1, 2007, at 3:12 PM, John Mason wrote:

There's some, but there's a known remote java class hack to get around it. I'm testing CF8 for this issue. Bluedragon doesn't have this issue by the way. For a lot of things sandboxing is certainly good if people would just
use it ;)
But if you have COM objects on and CF is running under the local service account. Which a lot of people do for some reason. You can pretty much do anything you want to a server. Taking CF off local service account achieves a lot of known security issues out right and it's easy to implement. That's
why I jump on that whenever possible.
John Mason
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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:59 PM
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No value in the resource/sandbox security? :-)
/charlie

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Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF Service Account




Thank you John and Dean for your feedback. The CF script needs to write the contents of a web form to a folder on another server so that an application
on that server can read in the form results.


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