Speaking of Benchmarks: http://www.jamesward.org/census/
On Feb 8, 2008 11:52 AM, Darin Kohles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can always build a Flex (or Flash for that matter) application > that can be put in you page as a 1px by 1px (I'm not sure if 0 by 0 > will work) that has nothing on the stage with wmode="transparent". > This application can now act as your portal between the browser via JS > using the External Interface (or fsCommand going back to Flash ~6). > Then your "invisible" Flex/Flash app can leverage all the connection > types available (AMF/SecureAMF, Webservice, HttpService etc...) in a > manner that is not easily accessible to any hacker (you can hide all > kinds of security checks within this app). > > I've always wanted to do a bench mark of this type of app side by side > with standard Ajax, but the bottom line is that the only browser > specific code would be in how the returned data is applied to effect > the client content. > > > On Feb 8, 2008 11:20 AM, shawn gorrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Charlie, my main issues with AJAX are dealing with cross-browser issues, and > > security. > > > > AJAX exposes some of the most annoying cross-browser DHTML sort of things. > > Using libraries and frameworks can insulate you from that to a degree, but > > not always completely. I've got a customer doing things with Google Maps and > > we've had some differences between IE and FF that have been difficult to > > solve. > > > > People have gotten so excited about using AJAX that they have forgotten > > basic security principles (things like validating input). I recently read an > > article that discussed the security holes in the more commonly used > > frameworks, so the issue isn't just with roll your own AJAX, it is more > > pervasive. > > > > But, those things said, ultimately I think it is a step forward in making a > > richer browser experience (not as much as Flex though). There are just some > > fleas on the dog that folks should be aware of in advance. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 10:58:47 AM > > Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion) > > > > That seems a curious statement, Forrest, and I'm sure some would enjoy a > > bit of discussion on it. For those who weren't following closely, he had > > asked first about some challenges using a CFX_google custom tag, and in the > > replies he was told that it's quite old and instead Google favors some Ajax > > APIs instead. Forrest replies he hoped the "Ajax thing would just go away". > > > > So, do you realize that Ajax is merely a way to make browsers smarter? It > > enables them to make calls to remote servers. Sure, we could do that in the > > past with Java applets, ActiveX controls, Flash, and even plain Javascript. > > And we could of course do it from the server using either REST or SOAP apis. > > Ajax is just a simplified API to enable that very javascript-based > > client-server interaction. For those who need to talk to servers from > > clients (either because they can't or don't want to involve a server to > > proxy the communications for them), we don't want them to go back to Java > > and ActiveX, do we? :-) And while we may wish everyone would use Flex, it's > > just not likely. Many will, for the much larger problem space it solves, but > > for the average web developer, it's not really as simple as dropping in some > > AJAX API calls. > > > > If Google (or other vendors) want to create a way for people to connect, and > > they want to make it work regardless of what web app server platform people > > use (and as well for those who have no server), and they provide an > > Ajax-based API to what (I suppose are otherwise REST-based) services, that's > > seems to be just being smart, widening the pool of possible users. > > > > Look at it another way (for us CFers), they (like Amazon, Ebay, and others) > > could instead just document calling from Java, ASP.NET, and PHP. They tend > > to not go that one step further to include CF. At least by their offering a > > platform-agnostic solution that doesn't require any server-side processing, > > they've helped more than just those who have no server to make calls from. > > > > Just some thoughts. I'm not fanatical about all this, and I may well myself > > be missing a point. But since this is the ACFUG "discussion" list, that > > comment seemed one worth discussing. :-) > > > > /charlie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forrest C. > > Gilmore > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:30 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] JVM version and ColdFusion > > > > Thanks, Charlie. Your comments were very helpful! > > > > I have been hoping that this AJAX thing would just go away, as it seems to > > be to be a step backwards, but it looks like it will be around a while > > longer! > > > > Forrest C. Gilmore > > ======================== > > Charlie Arehart wrote: > > > Forrest, I realize you've perhaps abandoned the effort, but I'll throw > > > out some clarification if it's useful, first about the JRE/CFX issue, > > > then about calling the google search APIs. > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > > List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Annual Sponsor - Figleaf Software > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ > > http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform > > > > For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists > > Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ > > List hosted by FusionLink > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------- Annual Sponsor FigLeaf Software - http://www.figleaf.com To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.org?fa=login.edituserform For more info, see http://www.acfug.org/mailinglists Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/discussion%40acfug.org/ List hosted by http://www.fusionlink.com -------------------------------------------------------------
