As a non-coder I am going to throw my two penny worth in.
First I admire the coders, they have skills I do not have, will never get and I rely on them to give us the product we desire. Please keep doing it Second I would love to help but that is not easy. It is suggested we test but to the uninitiated test what ? how ? what is the testing template ? Can testing be broken down into (say) test modules so that we can understand what we are doing. Even the act of raising a bug is not natural for non coders. I have done it but did not find the process friendly, in more than one way. In short I end up leaving it to the coders . Please do not give up. Chris Bostock ps. I love the World map of SME, but it is inaccurate. How do new installations get added to it. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Crisp Sent: 14 February 2016 00:37 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [devinfo] Discussion and Development Ladies (any out there ?) and Gentlemen, As some of you know I have unfortunately been somewhat disposed this week. Having caught up I can see once more the Achilles Heel of SME revealed in all its glory. Can we please all agree on a few points. Because if we can't we may as well all pack up, turn off the lights and go do something more fruitful with our lives instead of wasting it with endless bickering, abuse, and point scoring. Remember that not only are there direct subscribers to this list, but quite possibly others who view via archives etc. You are on public display. You, as members of the community, are meant to be representing that community. I am sure there are a lot who do not post because they do not want to get their head shot off in a volley of abuse the moment they pop above the parapet. So please think twice before you post. Devinfo is for discussion of technical details on SME - software development and assistance thereof. It is not designed for personal mud slinging or criticism of anyones work. Stick to code issues, not politics. If you can help on a technical issue then post here. If you have an opinion, put it in discussion Discussion is where you can debate the wider issues if SME. If you want to debate the whys and wherefores of direction then this is your forum. If you want to debate whether cockpit or mojo is better or best or whatever then this is the place. Anything else to do with SME be it governance, finance or whatever can be discussed. No developments skills necessary :-) There is no excuse for bad manners anywhere. Yes, we have all had a lapse at some stage in our lives so lets try hard to keep it clean and polite and respect others views. You may just encourage others to join in if they don't think they will be abused. SME needs that. Unfortunately I know that some people round here have been abused verbally both publicly and privately, and have been deeply upset by comments. We have lost many good people for this reason alone which is absolutely ridiculous. It is unacceptable anywhere, anytime. Revenge attacks also serve no purpose. Snide links to sites that intimate incompetence are just as offensive. If you don't want to see posts from an individual you can always use /dev/null or a killfile. Feeding trolls serves no purpose. They just love the attention. Don't give them the satisfaction. Also a lot of posters do not use English as their first language. Try not to take things quite so literally and give them the benefit of the doubt. If in doubt then write today and post tomorrow.... We have some interesting times ahead and there is a lot to talk about if you want to see SME survive and thrive. There is no one right answer and lots of opinions. An informed intelligent debate is good. Settling old scores and stabbing people verbally is not. "Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you." goes the poem, but we all know words can hurt. If you write a post would you have the nerve to say the same words to someone face to face ??? If you wouldn't then don't post them. Please keep it positive. Ask questions and explanations of peoples comments and ideas by all means. But don't criticise, and don't just say no. Reason your point, and tell us your better idea. If you haven't got one, what reason have you to criticise theirs ? So I appeal to one and all to sit back, take a chill pill, think twice before posting, remember that we all really want one thing which is to make SME better, and don't let down either your community or yourselves. B. Rgds John Crisp -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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