A very nice post, must have taken you
ages to type on an touch screen
There have been some thoughts on my side over the last couple of
days, partly stimulated by the fierce discussions on this channel
and some going back in time. Let me start with what I very much
like about SME:
- It's simplicity, the fact that the user only gets presented
the settings he needs
- All the know how hidden under the hod, a simple example
being that a users mail account and ibay is setup simply by
adding the user account
- The concept of storing all configuration data in one place
- The templating concept
- It's ability to act on events (signal-event)
- etc. ... the design has been very well thought of
What I personally view as being problematic:
- From my potentially incomplete view I had the impression
that things are SME specific where I dare to question they
have to be. As an example, I remember a message on this board
where it was stated that we had to modify anaconda in order to
fix a bug
- The effort to integrate a contribution into the system is
manageable but mostly a manual task, quite a lot of effort
- As we are all aware, SME has come to some age and needs some
brush up to be able to compete with the Synologies and QNAP's
out there
- There was a time when I was ready to contribute a backup
solution I had written for my cusotmers, I could not get the
"paperwork" resolved within the time I had at hand and gave up
From the posts in the near past I get the impression that there is
not many people who consider themselves being "coders", still most
of the discussion is about frameworks or programming languages. It
also seems to be difficult to attract these kind if skills
(coding) to the project. I'm sure there is many ideas how one
could fix that, mine go along these lines:
- The over all target of what the project is trying to achieve
must be easily visible and attractive, i.e. why should I spend
time on SME if I can buy a NAS with all that functionality
- Anyone who wants to contribute to the project must be able
to do so with minimal effort, i.e. move the sources to github
where I can fork and submit a pull request. This makes it easy
for me to contribute while it still leaves the power to decide
what makes it into the core to people in control of SME
- Provide clear requirements/statements towards functionality
which one can pick up and run, don't worry about language and
framework unless you are amongst the people who implement it
- Any modification to the core build packages should bring
them as close to the off the shelf underlying OS as possible,
in other words only add SME specific stuff where absolutely
necessary
- To maximize the benefit of the time you can spend on an
unpaid project, concentrate on tasks that match your skills
I know this does not directly map to a migration to CentOS 7.
However at some point the direction of where SME should go must
be addressed, why not take such a change as a reason to do so.
Cheers
Hans
Ladies (any out there ?) and Gentlemen,
As some of you know I have unfortunately been somewhat disposed
this week.
Having caught up I can see once more the Achilles Heel of SME
revealed in all its glory.
Can we please all agree on a few points.
Because if we can't we may as well all pack up, turn off the
lights and go do something more fruitful with our lives instead of
wasting it with endless bickering, abuse, and point scoring.
Remember that not only are there direct subscribers to this list,
but quite possibly others who view via archives etc.
You are on public display. You, as members of the community, are
meant to be representing that community.
I am sure there are a lot who do not post because they do not want
to get their head shot off in a volley of abuse the moment they
pop above the parapet.
So please think twice before you post.
Devinfo is for discussion of technical details on SME - software
development and assistance thereof. It is not designed for
personal mud slinging or criticism of anyones work. Stick to code
issues, not politics. If you can help on a technical issue then
post here. If you have an opinion, put it in discussion
Discussion is where you can debate the wider issues if SME. If you
want to debate the whys and wherefores of direction then this is
your forum. If you want to debate whether cockpit or mojo is
better or best or whatever then this is the place. Anything else
to do with SME be it governance, finance or whatever can be
discussed. No developments skills necessary :-)
There is no excuse for bad manners anywhere. Yes, we have all had
a lapse at some stage in our lives so lets try hard to keep it
clean and polite and respect others views.
You may just encourage others to join in if they don't think they
will be abused. SME needs that.
Unfortunately I know that some people round here have been abused
verbally both publicly and privately, and have been deeply upset
by comments. We have lost many good people for this reason alone
which is absolutely ridiculous. It is unacceptable anywhere,
anytime. Revenge attacks also serve no purpose.
Snide links to sites that intimate incompetence are just as
offensive.
If you don't want to see posts from an individual you can always
use /dev/null or a killfile. Feeding trolls serves no purpose.
They just love the attention. Don't give them the satisfaction.
Also a lot of posters do not use English as their first language.
Try not to take things quite so literally and give them the
benefit of the doubt.
If in doubt then write today and post tomorrow....
We have some interesting times ahead and there is a lot to talk
about if you want to see SME survive and thrive. There is no one
right answer and lots of opinions. An informed intelligent debate
is good.
Settling old scores and stabbing people verbally is not.
"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt
you." goes the poem, but we all know words can hurt.
If you write a post would you have the nerve to say the same words
to someone face to face ??? If you wouldn't then don't post them.
Please keep it positive. Ask questions and explanations of peoples
comments and ideas by all means. But don't criticise, and don't
just say no. Reason your point, and tell us your better idea. If
you haven't got one, what reason have you to criticise theirs ?
So I appeal to one and all to sit back, take a chill pill, think
twice before posting, remember that we all really want one thing
which is to make SME better, and don't let down either your
community or yourselves.
B. Rgds
John Crisp
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Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my
brevity.
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