Hi Joe,
I sent you my reply off-list because it looks like I am not allowed to
send emails to the fellowship.eu list (maybe because of censorship, I
don't know). This is what I wrote to you off-list:
Am 14.05.2019 17:40 schrieb Christian Imhorst:
This election has no a sovereign, except Daniel Pocock. So this is not
a really democratic election. In a democratic election the people are
the sovereign. But who are the people in this election? All fellows?
All who wants to be a fellow? Who knows. There wasn't a constitutive
meeting of all fellows or of all people who wants to be fellows or of
all people who wants to be part of the Free Software movement in
Europe. Everything constituting took place only in Daniel's head. He
is the only one who sets the rules. So for me this is not a democratic
election.
Regards
Christian
Am 14.05.2019 17:39 schrieb Joe Awni:
The way i see it, this election is a reaction against an attempt to
slap a corporate governance model for an e.V. onto the Free Software
movement. We do not need corporate governance in Free Software. We do
not want corporate governance in Free Software. And, attempts to do so
are not welcome.
I’m thinking about people who rush to discover stars and other
astrological bodies so they may name them so their name will be
preserved for the rest of time. Simply being the fist to apply
corporate governance to the Free Software movement in a particular
arena does not mean you will be preserved as it’s official head
until the end of time.
Also, the tactic of suppressing other Free Software endeavors in the
hopes of maintaining your status as a flagship organization in Free
Software space is ruining the community you claim to support.
That said, i also have some regrets about the new election: I would
like to see Paul Bodie and Carsten Agger as candidates again.
Christian Imhorst, is there some bylaw about election committee? What
improvements to the election process would make you feel comfortable
voting?
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:04 PM Christian Imhorst
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
this is not an election, this is a farce. And I will not vote for
anyone
in this farce. There is no election commitee I trust, so I doubt
that
these are free and fair elections. The only thing you'll get here
is
maybe a tendency, what the rebels, malcontents and mavericks of the
FSFE
community want or don't want.
I support FSFE and not FSF - among other things - because of
Stallman.
No question RMS did much good for the Free Software movement. After
all,
he founded it and he is one of the reasons why Free Software even
exists. But I don't think he should stay any longer the figurehead
of
the Free Software movement. Seems the longer he has any say, the
longer
he will poison the well. He hurts his mission with statements about
sexual abuse, dehumanizing disabled people and denigrating women.
Btw: I have written 2 emails to lists.fsfellowship.eu [1]. I think
they
never get it to his mailling list and I can not find them in the
archive:
https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/pipermail/discussion/2019-May/thread.html
[2]
Looks like I am censored by Daniel Pocock.
Regards
Christian Imhorst
Am 13.05.2019 10:41 schrieb Ingrid Schwarz:
Hello,
Sorry everybody for not replying over the weekend, here are some
of my
policies
Many Fellows use the fsfe.org [3] email addresses. The
Fellowship Council
will demand a meeting with Richard Stallman and Matthias
Kirschner to
understand the conflict about the FSFE name and also represent
the
interests of Fellows who may be unaware of the conflict or
inconvenienced. If FSF really objects to the name like in the
leaked
email then Fellows need to stop using it now, we shouldn't be
trying
to extort things from FSF. People can't accuse the last
Fellowship
rep of being entitled when FSFE is even more brazen using the
name of
another organization. But I would try to get a good deal for
Fellows
to keep their email addresses even if FSFE loses the name, this
is why
it is so important for Fellows to have a voice in the Fellowship
Council now.
Another group where I volunteer runs an annual ball. We sell
tickets
to all our friends, dress up and have a lot of fun. Most members
are
able to sell between 6 and 10 tickets, enough to fill a table.
Fellowship groups can bid to host a Fellowship ball in their city
each
year.
Before I write a lot more about my ideas, I would like to see the
policies of other candidates.
One candidate has proposed to delete people from the mailing list
without consent. I don't feel comfortable about that and if we
are
both in the Fellowship Council, I would vote against it.
Yours,
Ingrid
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On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 5:16 PM, Ingrid Schwarz
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear fellows,
Conflict like this doesn't erupt spontaneously.
Daniel isn't even a candidate but people are attacking him. They
talk
about respecting the Code of conduct in one sentence and break
it in
the next. He promised a smooth transition for the new council, I
can't
see any way that he profits from helping run the election, why
can't
people just say thank you and move on?
Both Daniel and Armijn have described thuggish behavior from
FSFE
bosses. Now we see it for ourselves.
I came across this quote from Georg Greve on the fsfellowship
site:
"The Fellowship is an activity of FSFE, and indeed one of the
primary
ways to get involved in the organisation. It is a place for
community
action, collaboration, communication, fun, and recruitment that
also
helps fund the other activities of FSFE, for example, the
political
work."
Moving the list to get around censorship appears to be a good
example
of that 'community action', activism and political work.
That is what political action looks like. It was effective. Now
everybody knows there is censorship in FSFE. We didn't know
before and
now we do. It shouldn't be happening. If only more FSFE actions
could
get their point across so clearly. That's activism, isn't that
what we
signed up for? People can learn from somebody like Daniel.
I can't see any harm that can come about by having a fellowship
council but I can see many benefits this council will have for
free
software. So I hereby nominate.
Yours,
Ingrid
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