On 8/17/06, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ברור, אני יכול לנחש למה:)
Do forgive me for answering in english, but I'm getting tired of typing in hebrew:)
First of all, there is no connection between copying songs and stealing.
Stealing means that you take something which is not yours from others,
it's as stupid as calling it murder or any other crime.
As for the tax, well that's life, what's the difference between that and ma'am that goes to all sort of places you don't want it to?
There are few ways to make it more fair, like making this tax only if you download more than certain amount a month,
or only from certain download speed. The truth is that very very very very very very very high presentage of the people that have fast internet at home use it to download files, and if there are 2 poor people in israel who can afford internet but can't afford to feed kids
you can a bit more creativly solve it by allowing limit accounts which let you only surf the web and send emails.
You should probably go complain first about the Agra or School payments I'm sure that will save the poor person a lot more than the 5 nis per month.
Yes, exactly, it will make it right to download and share music.
More people will share music, people who doesn't have money now to buy ultra expensive cds will be able to get songs and TV shows for their kids. Is that wrong? More publicity to the owner of the copyright, less money is wasted on distributions and more new bands can sends their songs to the net and make money out of it without selling their souls to the record companies.
How about it? I'm sure you didn't think about that it might actualy support culture in israel right?
As I said above the model of taxing the net connection has a lot of advantages, of course nothing is perfect, you also pay tax now about empty cds you buy, I don't see you go and complain about it. And of course there are more uses to cds beside it.
Music and TV nowdays became very basic product, in the name of social justice you should fight for it being avalible to everyone.
The poor person you talked about above who doesn't have any money, probably doesn't have money to go to concert or hardly any money to buy cds, now all the sudden for not so high sum he can expuse his kids to culture variaty he haven't seen before.
Note also that this will also make it easier for intrenet radio station to brodcast something that can become very complicated now as they need to go company company and ask permission, while if there was a way to distributed money between copyright owner they could use it instead.
It's not the same, You still use the product they produce. Only the way of disribution changed.
This ment to balance between the will of people to use that product, and the right of the copyright owners to get money for that use.
Ely
On Thu, Aug 17, 2006, E L wrote about "Re: DMCA ??רץ - ע?רת ?צ???ר":
> זה לא מדוייק
> למשל הטלת מס על חיבור מהיר וחלוקתו בין
> בעלי הזכויות נשמע הרבה יותר הגיוני
> מהפיכת חצי מישראל לפושעים.
אולי לך. לי זה דווקא נראה רעיון מזעזע.
ברור, אני יכול לנחש למה:)
כרגע, אדם עני יכול לשלם N שקלים ולקבל חיבור לאינטרנט.
לפי ההצעה שלך, הוא ייצטרך לשלם 2*N ובתמורה "יסלחו" לו אם יגנוב קצת שירים
וסרטים. אבל העני ההיפותטי שלנו לא בא לאינטרנט לגנוב שירים או סרטים, אלא
כדי לשלוח קורות חיים למקומות עבודה ולקרוא את ויקיפדיה. הוא לא רוצה לשלם
על שירים וסרטים - בקושי יש לו כסף לאוכל לילדים, אז שירים וסרטים הוא צריך?
Do forgive me for answering in english, but I'm getting tired of typing in hebrew:)
First of all, there is no connection between copying songs and stealing.
Stealing means that you take something which is not yours from others,
it's as stupid as calling it murder or any other crime.
As for the tax, well that's life, what's the difference between that and ma'am that goes to all sort of places you don't want it to?
There are few ways to make it more fair, like making this tax only if you download more than certain amount a month,
or only from certain download speed. The truth is that very very very very very very very high presentage of the people that have fast internet at home use it to download files, and if there are 2 poor people in israel who can afford internet but can't afford to feed kids
you can a bit more creativly solve it by allowing limit accounts which let you only surf the web and send emails.
You should probably go complain first about the Agra or School payments I'm sure that will save the poor person a lot more than the 5 nis per month.
אגב, זה מזכיר לי קטע מהספר freakonomics. עשו מחקר (בישראל!) על איחורי הורים
לקחת בחזרה את הילדים שלהם מהגן. מתברר, שבגנים "רגילים" (בהם הגננות לא מרשות
לאחר) תופעת האיחור קיימת, אבל קטנה. היו גנים שניסו לגבות תשלום נוסף על איחור
(למשל, שקל על כל דקה נוספת שהילד שלך בגן) וציפו לראות איך האיחורים יורדים.
אבל, קרה בדיוק ההפך! אנשים אמרו לעצמם שאם הם כבר משלמים על האיחור, אז הוא
בסדר. אנשים נורמטיביים שמאוד התאמצו לעולם לא לאחר התחילו לאחר מדי פעם כי
"זה בסדר, אני משלם על זה". אותו דבר בדיוק ייקרה אם יהיה מס על חיבור לאינטרנט:
גם אנשים שמעולם לא העתיקו שירים יתחילו לעשות זאת, "כי הרי אני כבר משלם על
זה, אז זו זכותי".
Yes, exactly, it will make it right to download and share music.
More people will share music, people who doesn't have money now to buy ultra expensive cds will be able to get songs and TV shows for their kids. Is that wrong? More publicity to the owner of the copyright, less money is wasted on distributions and more new bands can sends their songs to the net and make money out of it without selling their souls to the record companies.
> אנשים באופן ברור רוצים מודל אחר וזה לא
> תפקידו של החוק לשמר מודלים עסקיים לא
> יעילים רק בכלל שחברות שונות מפחדות
> משינוי.
נכון. לכן, אם המודל העסקי הישן (מכירת דיסקים) משום מה לא עובד יותר (ואני חושב
שזה לא נכון, אבל ניחא), אז תפקיד חברות התקליטים למצוא מודל חדש. למשל, לעשות
יותר הופעות חיות (לא מזמן שילמתי 300 שקלים, מחיר 5 דיסקים, להופעה חיה שראיתי!)
או רעיונות אחרים וחדשניים. אבל אין זה זכותם להגיד מה שאתה הצעת: "אנחנו כבר לא
יודעים איך להרוויח אז בבקשה תטילו מס על כולם ותתנו את הכסף לנו".
As I said above the model of taxing the net connection has a lot of advantages, of course nothing is perfect, you also pay tax now about empty cds you buy, I don't see you go and complain about it. And of course there are more uses to cds beside it.
The poor person you talked about above who doesn't have any money, probably doesn't have money to go to concert or hardly any money to buy cds, now all the sudden for not so high sum he can expuse his kids to culture variaty he haven't seen before.
Note also that this will also make it easier for intrenet radio station to brodcast something that can become very complicated now as they need to go company company and ask permission, while if there was a way to distributed money between copyright owner they could use it instead.
תאר לך שחברות מכונות הכתיבה, שנפגעו מהמצאת המחשב, היו מבקשות הטלת מס על כל
מחשב חדש שילך אליהם? או מה דעתך על מס על מי שתייה כדי לצמצם את הפסדי חברות
בקבוקי השתיה בכל פעם שאתה שותה מהברז? או מה דעתך על מס על טלפון, כדי לפצות
את חברות הדלק על כך שהטלפון חוסך נסיעה? או אולי מס על דואר אלקטרוני לפצות
את רשות הדואר?
It's not the same, You still use the product they produce. Only the way of disribution changed.
This ment to balance between the will of people to use that product, and the right of the copyright owners to get money for that use.
Ely
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