Dammit. I wrote that last night, it didn't post, and I rewrote it today. And now both show up. Great. Sorry about that.
On Feb 5, 2:40 pm, "j...@jeffcroft.com" <j...@jeffcroft.com> wrote: > As one of many talented and respected designers in the Django > community, and also as a good friend of Wilson Miner, I'd like to say > for the record that the attitude I've seen from the core devs about an > admin redesign/overhaul is incredibly frustrating. Whenever someone > proposes redesigning the admin interface, it's always met with a "well > you could, and of course we would consider it, but really we wouldn't" > kind of response, citing one of two reasons -- both of which are, > frankly, BS: > > 1. "Wilson Miner is the designer of the Django admin interface, and > he'll redesign it when he deems it necessary." -- First, the idea that > Wilson somehow "owns" the Django admin's design is offensive. It's an > open source project and anyone should be able to contribute and have > their efforts taken seriously. Second, Wilson isn't going to redesign > it. I've talked to him about it several times and while I know he'd > like to, I really don't think he's going to find the time -- if he > was, he would have by know. Because he thinks it needs it. Which leads > me to the second reason... > > 2. "The Django admin interface was designed by Wilson F'ing Miner of > Apple.com fame, and therefore is immune from ever have any design > problems." -- Look, Wilson is a great designer. Really great. One of > the very best I've ever worked with. But he's not perfect. The Django > admin does, indeed, have a handful of serious interaction design > issues. What's more, in the five years that have passed since Wilson > designed it, IxD has come a long way, and there are many useful new > concepts that could apply to the Django admin interface. When Wilson > designed the admin interface, it was a great piece of interaction > design. But it's been five years, and I don't know about you, but > *nothing* I did five years ago is still awesome. And like I said, I've > discussed it with Wilson on several occasions, and I can confirm that > he definitely agrees there are issues and that it could use and > overhaul and an update. If the core devs refuse to listen to anyone > else who says it has issues, then please, at least listen to Wilson. > > I've talked with several designers in the Django community at various > times (among them Nathan Borror and Bryan Veloso), and I think I can > speak for all of us when I say that there's a general feeling that > it's not worth our time to put any effort into a Django admin design > overhaul, because it won't be taken seriously if it doesn't come from > Wilson. > > And that sucks. > > Jeff > > On Feb 3, 5:44 pm, Russell Keith-Magee <freakboy3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:35 AM, tezro <tezro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi everybody. > > > > I use Django for about a year, do websites for about 5 years, am kind > > > of experienced in web, interface and techdesign, used lots of CMS or > > > other site management tools (99% is a piece of crab). And I'm writing > > > here because although Django admin default look is successive, I think > > > it has lots of interface related misconceptions and element related > > > eye-unfriendly problems. > > > Design opinions are always welcome, and I'm not going to claim that > > Django's admin is perfect. However, please keep in mind that Django's > > admin site was originally designed by Wilson Miner, who has quite a > > reputation in design circles (as a point of reference - Apple's > > website is in his portfolio). I'm sure Wilson would do some things > > differently if he redesigned Django's admin site today, but claiming > > that the original design has "lots of misconceptions" and > > "eye-unfriendly problems" is slightly overstating the situation. > > > > Question is: I can modify templates, css, not so sure about images > > > that fit well enough, but mainly I can position all the given elements > > > to date and CSS them as if I was doing and redesigning it for myself. > > > Is it realy needed and could be implemented to trunk, or everybody > > > just uses it as is notwithstanding some dirt? > > > > As the most obvious thing - here's the margin/padding problem on the > > > left/right side of the page. One of a hundreds... > > >http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4022/4329186446_212477b9e4_o.png > > > I'm not necessarily convinced that the margin padding "problem" you > > identified is inherently a problem - variations in horizontal > > alignment can serve a useful design purpose. > > > However, that doesn't mean we're going to reject all your proposals, > > or that horizontal alignment like you describe couldn't form an > > important part of a larger design. Design proposals are always > > welcome. If you think you can improve on the visual design of Django's > > admin, put together a proposal, and we'll consider it. It doesn't > > matter if your proposal takes the form of mockups, or a set of > > CSS/markup replacements - as long as we can see and understand the > > changes you want to make. > > > Yours > > Russ Magee %-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. 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