Jeez, looks like I started a tsunami... On Apr 29, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Adnane Belmadiaf <da...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Hi all, > > I would like to introduce myself, here is my proposal > http://i.imgur.com/bnf2e.png > > Best, > Adnane Belmadiaf > > 2012/4/29 Dana Woodman <d...@danawoodman.com> > This is my take: http://cl.ly/0U2C1O20133i0U3d1s3X/o > > -- > Dana Woodman > d...@danawoodman.com > http://www.danawoodman.com > > On Sunday, April 29, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Alec Taylor wrote: > >> Here is a design I just pulled up: http://i.imgur.com/wIkel.png >> >> Thoughts? >> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Alec Taylor <alec.tayl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Contact me for UX once you have forked the repo, I'll throw something >>> up and place it on the wiki (or in an issue) of that new repo. >>> >>> Email: alectayl...@gmail.com >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Dana Woodman <d...@danawoodman.com> wrote: >>>> Great info Russ, thanks! >>>> >>>> My thoughts at this point would be to focus on the main content sections, >>>> including the home page and documentation overview pages. >>>> >>>> For the home page I'd see something like this working well: >>>> >>>> -Logo and brief project description (fork on Github as well?) - Answers the >>>> "What is Django?" and "Why should I care?" questions. (for example, Twitter >>>> Bootstraps's home page: http://cl.ly/3R0d1X300S0S0f0A0j0S) >>>> Link to download and docs - Answers the "How can I start?" question >>>> "Who uses Django?" section - Answers, well... the "Who uses Django?" >>>> question. BTW, is there a reason that there isn't more of the larger users >>>> of Django on here? Eg Disqus, Instagram, Pinterest, Google, Mahalo, >>>> addons.mozilla.org, etc... This alone would get people excited to use >>>> Django >>>> and would convince a lot of the business types that Django can scale and is >>>> worth the investment. >>>> A graphical site navigation area, eg: http://cl.ly/3B1N2h3E2x3x0f3V091K - >>>> Give people a an easy way to get around to the core content on the site. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thinking a layout along the lines of Node.js (http://nodejs.org/) homepage >>>> would be effective. Node does a good job of keeping things minimal and easy >>>> to navigate. >>>> >>>> Some sort of "blogroll" type feature would satisfy the need to update the >>>> community of interesting or useful links. This could work in concert with >>>> the documentation as well. Not sure what the exact needs for this are, what >>>> would be an ideal process for this? >>>> >>>> How would the style guide be presented? Would it be a page on >>>> djangoproject.org, Github Wiki, a PDF, or...? >>>> >>>> I assume it would be fairly straightforward to give Spinx a new skin? >>>> >>>> Do you feel an incremental approach would be best or should it be a >>>> complete >>>> overhaul in one go? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dana Woodman >>>> d...@danawoodman.com >>>> http://www.danawoodman.com >>>> >>>> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Dana >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, 29 April 2012 at 1:45 AM, Dana Woodman wrote: >>>> >>>> Very true Chris. I'd love to see the documents that were put together when >>>> this was discussed last time, if they're still around. >>>> >>>> I've included the design brief in my response to Ned. If you're looking for >>>> something else in particular, let me know and I'll see if I can find (or >>>> produce) something that is suitable. >>>> >>>> >>>> In regards to what needs improvement, there are some core issues as I see >>>> it. >>>> >>>> 1) the home page does a poor job of conveying what someone should do if >>>> they >>>> want to try out Django. It also could do a much better job of making Django >>>> a bit more "sexy". >>>> 2) the documentation itself, while thorough, is a bit difficult to >>>> navigate, >>>> especially for new users. I think this could be partially remedied by some >>>> modifications to headers and color choices. >>>> 3) the project could do a better job of selling itself, especially in >>>> regards to showcasing why it is so great: automatic admin, large active >>>> community and plugins, large sites and organizations using it, active >>>> development, lots of built in security, etc... >>>> 4) it just looks old and outdated, which is a problem in its own right. >>>> >>>> Should I just fork the project on Github and hack away or do I need to work >>>> on subversion? >>>> >>>> As of yesterday, we are a SVN-free organisation -- everything is on GitHub. >>>> However, djangoproject.com has been on GitHub for a while: >>>> >>>> https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com >>>> If you want to work on code directly, that's the place to start. >>>> >>>> >>>> In regards to organization of the documentation, I assume that is generated >>>> via the docs within Django, correct? Would I have freedom to do content >>>> organization/copy changes or would it just be a design change? I don't mean >>>> changing the documentation, but more how other pages and sections are laid >>>> out. >>>> >>>> >>>> Correct - the documentation is the contents of the /docs directory, as >>>> rendered by Sphinx. This means that the style of any individual page (e.g., >>>> fonts for headings, etc) is part of the Sphinx stylesheet, but the gross >>>> structure is determined by the file layout in the /docs directory (i.e., >>>> one >>>> page per file). >>>> >>>> There's really two tasks contained in what you have described here: >>>> >>>> 1) Restyling the docs to make them easier to read >>>> >>>> 2) Reorganizing the docs to make information easier to find. >>>> >>>> 1) is definitely the remit of this design project. (2) is a much bigger >>>> project. Unless you're going to keep it simple - e.g., a proposing better >>>> home page layout for the docs - it may be better to leave the structure of >>>> the docs as a separate issue. >>>> >>>> I assume I'd also need to work on the code.djangoproject.org >>>> (http://code.djangoproject.org) site as well? Are there other things that >>>> would need to change? I'd really need the scope down so I know how and >>>> where >>>> to start. >>>> >>>> >>>> There's also pages for the foundation; these aren't currently linked to >>>> from >>>> the homepage, so they're really well hidden. Right now, they're currently >>>> implemented as flat pages. >>>> >>>> However, as the brief indicates, we'd like to have a bunch of broader >>>> design >>>> guidelines so if we want to improve any existing section of the site, or if >>>> any other project comes along and we want to integrate them into >>>> djangoproject.com (e.g., Django People or Django Packages), we can give >>>> that >>>> project a style guide to work with. >>>> >>>> More importantly, one of my goals with this project is to broaden the base >>>> of "active design experts" that we have as a project. The core coding team >>>> has a relatively low bus factor -- if one of us stops committing, there are >>>> plenty of others who know the code and can maintain the project in our >>>> absence. However, our design bus factor is somewhere between 1 and 0 -- >>>> we've got Idan as our Benevolent Designer for Life, but he's a busy man; we >>>> really need to surround him with a bunch of talented designers, in the same >>>> way that we've got Jacob and Adrian, plus a bunch of talented developers. >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> Russ Magee %-) >>>> >>>> >>>> This is no simple task so any direction or help would be greatly >>>> appreciated! >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:11 AM, Chris Pickett <chris.pick...@gmail.com >>>> (mailto:chris.pick...@gmail.com)> wrote: >>>> >>>> It seems to me that this might be one of those opportunities to just jump >>>> right in and get your hands dirty. I many ways I don't know if a redesign >>>> is >>>> going to happen without someone taking the initiative and getting it done, >>>> so it might as well be you! :) >>>> >>>> On Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:22:59 AM UTC-5, Dana Woodman wrote: >>>> >>>> So now that Django is being moved to Git/Github (which is awesome!), maybe >>>> it would be a good time to think about a revamped home page for the project >>>> ala djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com)? >>>> >>>> Obviously this is no small undertaking and would be potentially contentions >>>> as to what would be the proper path, but I feel (and I don't think I'm >>>> alone) that djangoproject.com (http://djangoproject.com) could use a bit of >>>> a facelift. >>>> >>>> I have some idea of my own as to how this could be accomplished and I'm >>>> sure >>>> there are a ton of others out there with great ideas as well. Maybe we >>>> could >>>> open up some discussion on this idea? >>>> >>>> Forgive me if this has been proposed before as I'm new to the group! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Dana >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Django developers" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/django-developers/-/sWZOWG-NqmgJ. >>>> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com >>>> (mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com). >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> (mailto:django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com). >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Django developers" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com >>>> (mailto:django-developers@googlegroups.com). >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> (mailto:django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com). >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Django developers" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Django developers" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Django developers" group. >> To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. > > > > -- > Adnane Belmadiaf > ---------------- > Ubuntu Member > Ubuntu Moroccan Team Member > Loco Directory Hacker > > https://launchpad.net/~daker > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdnaneBelmadiaf > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. 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