Hey folks -- This thread's pretty off-topic for django-dev. Can you please take it elsewhere? Thanks.
Jacob On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Amirouche Boubekki <amirouche.boube...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Are the Hello world applications are strictly the same (sessions, auth >> etc) ? > > > The code is available on bitbucket. They are simple hello word apps, a view > which returns a «Hello World» string as body response. > >> I still can't see why people wast so much time in such biased "Hello >> world" tests to claim a definitive "X is the fastest Python web Framework." > > > I still can't understand why people wast so much time claiming the work of > others is useless because you actually mean useless, isn't it ? > > >> Database optimization, ORM, API quality, documentation, libraries, >> security. > > > I take for granted that at least you have some notions of what makes a good > Web framework. But, Is there any verb that I should guess to make it > possible to build conversation about this statement ? In particular, what do > you mean by API quality, because that is a particular area I'd like to > improve. > >> Does your framework allow users to deliver in a limited time ? That is the >> true question. > > > Huhu! I think you are refering to the old line «Web framework for > perfectionnist with deadlines» which was well translated in french and with > a formulation which can stands time and projects as «Web framework for > perfectionnist in a hurry». It was maybe a legit claim 7 years ago (almost > ten and two hundreds years at the Web scale) because all solutions at that > time were bloated, broken, not as cool or simply not as good as Django, but > today is almost 2013. Don't expect people to sit down and wait for Django to > leave 1.0 branch to rework the template engine, get rid of managers, provide > a framework for asynchronous tasks that implements ack and doesn't try to > delete faulty tasks because they expired, reconsider what can be done in > Django to make the life of frontend developpers easier regarding the > pervasive use of Javascript clients, provide a framework for service > oriented applications, take into consideration multiple user editing in the > admin, multiple databases transactions if doesn't already, make it work on > Python 3, make the admin even more hack-friendly, validate/testify any other > useful apps that are nowdays taken for standards in webdev and be simply > better at what it does already well, I agree, and start eating market shares > of self proclaimed entreprise solutions™. Otherwise said, simply impress me > again and stands out or consider the fact that today Django is just like any > other Python Web framework, no more, no less, with a good documentation and > numerous zealots. It maybe be superflus to look for speed when there is > other more useful/important/sexy work to do, but it might also not be > possible to do this improvement without forking or starting from scratch. > > The project you are talking about got its fair number of critisism on Python > ML thread already. Do you think this guy is stupid? He was simply starting > to market his work with a simple benchmark no more, no less, and I'd bet it > perform well on full applications too. Most probably he was hacking in his > garage with an idea, getting a Python framework out and make it as good as > Django and maybe better. And according to the numbers we have now it is, > according the the template syntax it is (or you like to write parsers in > Python), according the well crafted and separated repositories it is (maybe > a personal preference I agree). You can take for granted that this framework > doesn't have an admin area yet, and couldn't make the mistake of recomputing > most urls for every request, making it useless for any user-facing private > area of reasonable scale, yay, there are top notch admin projects out there > that integrate recognized html5 frameworks of today, but I agree this is a > minor issue for people ready do write some code instead of sneaking into the > admin. According to you not only this guy may be stupid, but his work might > be useless. Maybe you do not know what competition is ? Or, you don't know > what free and open source software is ? It looks like the latter is true at > least contributing code doesn't seem to be part of your agenda or maybe your > are too much concerned about putting down the work of others and making > zillions out of the work of some. But I guess you are just venting and not > improving the discussion at all. Most probably because you cannot do «un > pouillème» of what this guy did and of what I hope he will do, you are well > behind this guy in terms of contributions not only for free and open source > industry but also Python and Django in particular. You may (or someone else > will) argue about it being junk-code or code pollution, my bad, this exact > disease did not serve the Javascript and PHP community that badly when one > compares market penetration. The only pollution I know is the shitload of > thinking patterns people like you have in reserve. > > > > Amirouche > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers?hl=en.
